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[ClutchFans] 2012-13 Houston Rockets Exit Interviews

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Clutch, May 6, 2013.

  1. Clutch

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    Patrick Beverley

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    Chandler Parsons

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    Francisco Garcia...

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    Jeremy Lin is not until 4pm or so.
     
  2. dobro1229

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    Cisco really was an awesome pickup for this team, and possibly had more of an impact in the playoffs than Patterson would have had.

    I thought Feigan asked a great question about him potentially becoming a free agent, and waiting around to see what the Rockets would do with other free agents first, and Garcia's response did give a little hope that its a possibility.

    Given how thin the Rockets roster is looking to be going into next season at the 1, 2, and 3 spot, and Delfino most likely injured/declined, getting Garcia back at lower mid level (2.6 mil) could be a huge signing for next year.
     
  3. REEKO_HTOWN

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    So no radio stations are airing these live? Shameful.
     
  4. CarolNYC

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    I LOVE Cisco. I do hope they find a way to bring him back.
     
  5. Carl Herrera

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    Given that he did a great job checking OKC's best player, Garcia most likely had a bigger impact than Patterson would have had.

    However, I bet HOU could have obtained Garcia without also making the Patterson for Robinson exchange-- Garcia was in his last days with the Kings and his salary was just being dumped.
     
  6. RV6

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    Garcia is the highest paid player on the team at just 6mill. I know that'll change soon, but that's awesome value, as a team, for this season.
     
  7. Roxlove

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    Nice, thanks for posting it!
     
  8. dobro1229

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    I understand that Garcia was not the centerpiece of the trade, and he was included in the deal as a salary dump.

    However his performance in the playoffs, and the fact that now they MIGHT be able to retain him if all goes well after now what looks like the end of Delfino's tenure with the Rockets, its definitely just a positive way of looking at things.

    To add to it, despite your "rational" opinion of him, we have no idea what kind of player Thomas Robinson will be or what he will net them in a trade if they are able to move him for an asset like a draft pick or part of a sign and trade for a free agent.

    Lastly, Patterson was not going to be re-signed in free agency after next year anyway, and was shapping out to be someone not in their long term plans. The Rockets got a player that turned out to be better for a short term playoff run, and a high upside talent to do something with in the offseason.
     
  9. TJ VS TR

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    He wants to be back, hope he does.
     
  10. Two Sandwiches

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    Awesome.

    I think Garcia easily played himself into being worthy of a new contract with the Rockets this postseason. He's the perfect role player to have on a team with a couple superstars. I'm sure Morey realizes this.
     
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    Can someone summarize for those at work? Love Garcia.
     
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Parsons said he already played pick up game on Sunday but will likely take next 2 weeks off. Off season priority will be getting stronger</p>&mdash; Houston Rockets (@HoustonRockets) <a href="https://twitter.com/HoustonRockets/status/331467679863033856">May 6, 2013</a></blockquote>
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    Parsons with bigger muscles?

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  13. Carl Herrera

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    It's not accurate to say that we have "no idea what kind of player Thomas Robinson will be or what they will net him in a trade." We cannot predict the future exactly, but there are data (everything from comparison of stats with players at similar age to physical measurements to traditional scouting) that gives you at least some idea.

    In fact, the whole Morey analytics project is all about using data to come up with the best future prediction that one can whether it be for young players (even guys who haven't even played in the NBA yet) or veterans (for example: What are the probabilities that a 32-year-old will perform next season at the same level he did this season?).

    We do know that Thomas Robinson has decent rebounding abilities and high level quickness. We also know that he is small for a PF and struggles with finishing around the basket against NBA-level athletes (which was an issue in the NCAA title game vs. Kentucky, in the summer league, and in the regular NBA season). We know that he's not good at shooting anywhere else on the floor, either, including free throws. On top of all this, he turns the ball over at an alarming rate (nearly 20%). His overall offensive efficiency is in the bottom 10% when measured against other 21-year-old rookies who got significant minutes over last 10-12 years.

    We also know that a lotto pick's trade value tend to decline rapidly if he doesn't shine in the NBA at the beginning of his career. Lotto pick Terrence Williams gets traded in December of his 2nd season for a heavily lotto protected pick. Memphis had to add a draft pick to trade Hasheem Thabeet in his 2nd season for a half-season rental of Battier. Marcus Morris netted only a 2nd round pick and he was at least a rotation regular (and allegedly a high upside guy coming out of college). History does tell us something about what HOU can expect in a trade for Robinson.

    Of course, these things can change, and some players have improved these aspects of their games. But if you look back to history his probability of being competent in the offensive end is much lower than someone who was not in the bottom 10% as a 21-year-old rookie.

    It is possible for student with a 1.9 GPA in 8th grade to become the high school valedictorian, but that probability is lower than that of a student with, say, a 3.8 8th grade GPA.
     
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  15. Old Man Rock

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    Hey Carl, a very logical post that involves admitting a player in the trade would've had a bigger impact than PPat. And after all is said and done you were absolutely correct PPat is better right now than Trob or any PF we have on our squad and would have helped us this playoffs. With him game 6 might have easily an elimination game for the Thunder And better than that with Ppat we might have locked the 6th seed.

    But that still leaves us with the problem what do you do with PPat this summer. Is he our PF going forward. If not you almost have to let him walk. Arguably our biggest weakness on the team before PPat was traded was the 4. If you are going to upgrade that with a free agent than you lose Ppat for nothing. This way we got something for him. I know TRob didn't impress as many had hoped. But there's no denying his athleticism. I think he is a slow learning but he can learn and he will be a good defender at some point. And we PPat gone we got to ee T Jones in action and I think he will be the best PF of all of our young PF's. He brings what was missing from PPat rebunding and shot blocking. So even though you were clearly vindicated that PPat was the best PF we had. I still think trading him was a good move for the Rockets going forward.
     
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    Cool. Thanks for posting.
     
  17. Old Man Rock

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    Wow Parsons could become our stretch 4. If he can consistently guard 4's than going after a three this off season might be a better alternative. If not at least he will be better prepared to guard Lebron in the finals next year.
     
  18. dobro1229

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    I dont think anyone is expecting Robinson to jump up to "valedictorian" level, but casting him out already as a bust(which you did from day 1 of being acquired) is far too overly harsh a criticism at this point.

    Most of your judgement cast on him had more to do with you being wrecked about Patterson getting traded than if the Rockets had acquired Robinson for another player that you weren't so in love with.

    I thought that Robinson actually did have positive moments in his rookie season even in Sacramento where you could see how he can be a decent player in the future, or at least keep some of the intrigue going into his first Summer as a pro.

    Saying that he can't finish at the rim isn't correct at all. If Charles Barkley and Luis Scola can score around the rim, then so can Thomas Robinson with an athletic 6'9" frame. Using that argument is kind of getting lazy at this point to use.

    His problem is that he takes BAD shots right now, and makes mental errors on both ends of the court. The minutes he didn't earn this year, had more to do with mistakes than it did lack of talent. No reason to think that he can't get more disciplined in the future to have an impact. If Jordan Hill can learn, and get more disciplined... yeah.

    Also, if your using data and measurements to somehow prove that a rookie is going to be bad, then how the hell are you expecting to have an objective view for ANY rookie's future in the league? The data almost always shows that its rare for ANY rookie to succeed in the NBA, and most will be out of the league in 3 or 4 years.

    So using data to prove how hard it is to suceed as a rookie in the NBA as an excuse to NEVER acquire rookies IMO is a poor argument.
     
  19. Clutch

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    Good discussion with Beverley is up in the original post (as is Parsons, if you missed that).
     
  20. RV6

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    When was the last time Sacramento actually developed a young player?

    Cousins and Tyreke are the only successes and both have excelled on raw talent alone. Labeling Tyreke as a sucess isn't even saying much though.

    Thompson
    Fredette
    Trob
    Greene
    Whiteside
    Casspi
    Hawes


    They do suck at drafting, but they also haven't shown ANY competence when it comes to developing young picks, in at least 6-7 years. You might as well throw Trob's season out the window and consider him a rookie next season.
     

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