Pro-Hamas op-ed argues Israelis forfeit status as civilians because they keep electing right wing go

What a complete lunatic.

 

Was there any specific part of the article you found to be an example of lunacy, or was it the fact that it was pro-Israeli?

 

How so? I am not discrediting your post, I am simply a little ignorant on which side of this issue to align myself with. From what one of my favorite political analyst, Reihan Salam, says, the guy pretty much hit the nail on the head with this topic.

 

I think the idea that Hamas is hoping for Palestinians civilians and children to be killed by Israel is lunacy.

There is a difference between trying to exploit a tragedy once it happens, and actually hoping it happens are two different things.

Also the idea that the civilians of Gaza shouldn't really be considered civilians because they elected Hamas is also lunacy. It's the same rationale used by some of the terrorists who believe civilians in Israel are fair targets because they've elected those that oppress Palestinians.

I do believe Hamas is guilty of the exploiting the tragedy of dead civilians.

They also definitely do keep their weapons near civilian residences and locations.

None of that is good or admirable in any way shape or form. But this article goes beyond just pointing that out.

Also the article trumps out the idea that residents refused to leave, when in reality there was no place for them to go. You can warn people you will bomb certain areas but when they are trapped there it doesn't really matter.

 

So in essence, by doing this they are hoping to kill civilians and raise the banner for martyrdom correct? Why else would they do such things?

 

Advocating for collective punishment of a democratic society for the actions of its leaders.

wtfffffffff

44% Hamas-41% Fatah btw.

Same garbage as Al-Qaeda espouses for targeting Americans. Should ALL Americans be held to account for their government's sponsorship of Uzbek tyrants, and Somali warlords, the construction of torture networks in Iraq, the mysterious black sites where prisoners go to die, the civilian deaths in Afghanistan and Iraq, and the creation of the world's largest surveillance state?

 

Do you think Hamas believes firing Rockets into Israel will bring about the change they want?

Do you think Hamas believes firing rockets into Israel would bring retribution?

Do you deny they store weapons near civilians?


When answered truthfully, one can only conclude that Hamas knows the rockets won't change anything but WILL bring about retribution that due to their tactics will lead to deaths of civilians.

 

Like I said the fact that they do them is horrible.

But the reasons why are pretty obvious. That doesn't make them good reasons.

They do it because they don't have the resources or technology to make a strong military with actual secure bases, weapons facilities, secure ammo storage areas etc. So the only place they can keep them are wherever there's room which is often near civilians. It's the best place they can hide them which is the only way they get to keep their weapons and missiles.

But no they are not hoping to kill civilians. They merely know that civilians will die, and once they do, they will exploit it to whatever advantage they can. That part is something that the almost every nation does including Israel and the United States.

 

I know a lot of people who think that way. I argued with someone today who made that exact same argument as to why everyone in Gaza who dies is guilty.

 

1. I don't know whether Hamas is stupid enough to believe firing rockets into Israel will bring about changes. They might be. By the same token Israel bombing and invading Gaza won't bring about changes they want, yet both sides do the same things over and over.

2. I'm sure they know it will bring about retribution which will kill civilians. That will anger the population and Hamas can then show they are taking up for those civilians by firing more rockets. And so it goes over and over again.

3. I've said from the beginning they definitely store weapons near civilians.

I do believe they know that once they are engaged in conflict civilians will die. Their tactics will lead to death. But it's more of a matter of them feeling they have no other choice and a way to maintain power rather than wanting civilians to die.

By the same token Israel knows that the blockade of Gaza, occupation of Palestinian territories, and oppression of Palestinians will bring about suicide attacks and missile launches which will result in the death of Israelis. That doesn't mean that they want those Israelis to die. It means it is a loss they are willing to deal with in order to maintain the power structure they have.

 

You are clueless.

Where should people evacuate to? Where should Hamas find distance between itself and civilians? Where should it store ammo and weapons? Where are people to breathe and live without fear for Pete's sake?



Arguably the most densely populate place on earth. Do you see just how dense you sound when taking about the plight of Palestinians?

Do you get it now? Do you see the answers to your silly questions? You don't need to answer my questions lol

 

Similarly, it's very wack that Hamas thinks they can target everybody in Israel because they voted in Likud.

it's this sort of thinking that makes wars much worse.

 

Are you really dumb enough that you will argue that Hamas has nowhere to hide the weapons except schools and hospitals?

 

Like speaking to a wall.

Only..

It's racist.

 

What? How am I racist now?

Should be a fun answer.

When you want to answer the question I'll be interested to see you explain why Hamas has nowhere to hide weapons but schools.

 

Ehh I just don't think there can be any humane logical reasoning behind storing missiles in schools, hospitals, and civilian locations. Sure Palestine has a legitimate claim to the land they are fighting for, but so did Mexico when it comes to Texas and southern California. You don't see them making base on an island off the west coast and shooting missiles into California. I am dumbfounded by the rational of people who support the actual supporters of Hamas and how they use their citizens to protect their missiles.

 

As am I. It's perfectly fine to think Israel does things wrong without thinking the tactics of Hamas are defensible.