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Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by basketballholic, Apr 1, 2013.

  1. RedRedemption

    RedRedemption Contributing Member

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    Patrick Patterson is mediocre.
     
  2. basketballholic

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    No. My point is teams like good locker room guys. Al is that. That's part of the reason we like guys like Lin and Parsons. They're good people. Al is that. But that in itself doesn't work on the court. You can't put a guy on the team just because he's good in the locker room and his stats look good. You gotta look behind the game and figure out whether his play contributes to winning games.

    Al chews through a ton of possessions. He's never learned the art of drawing fouls and getting to the free throw line so that his offensive efficiency goes up. And he's simply not a very good passer help create for his other teammates. Opponents are all content to let Al receive the ball in the post and take shots. Most of the time no doubles. Just make him work hard for his shot and wind down the shot clock. He either hits or misses. Opponents don't have to worry about getting in foul trouble. And then the 4th quarter comes along and all hands are on deck busting out the D on Utah all over the place because they've got fouls to spare. As for Al's defense...everybody knows it doesn't exist. Great guy. Fools gold.
     
  3. Nook

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    Rudy Gay - Classic chucker that has a nice skill set but does not translate to smart production on the floor.

    Demar DeRozan - Doesn't defend, poor shot selection, does very little other than score.

    JJ Hickson - Numbers look nice, and is a rotational player. However, is a poor defender and often times is a black hole.

    Jeff Green - Doesn't defend and doesn't rebound. absurdly inconsistent with only one post move.

    Michael Beasley - Just garbage, which is too bad.

    Eric Bledsoe - A very good spark player, but is not a real point guard and when his role evolves beyond a bench player, he will struggle.

    Reggie Evans - Early on he realized he would be in the league a long time if he did one thing well. He does, he rebounds... at all costs, that includes at times letting his man get position and shoot so Reggie can get the rebound. On defense he will be out of place... all to get the rebound. On offense he will be out of place.... just to get the rebound.

    Nate Robinson - Excellent athlete, and can really fill up the scoring column. However, he takes many poor shots, he does not play within the offense and at times he shoots his team out of games. Defensively he drives coaches crazy.


    As a side note:

    Rick Rubio will join this list if he keeps shooting 35%. He simply cannot be a rotational player with such a poor percentage.

    Thomas Robinson is probably headed to the land of Stromile Swift. He does not know spacing, does not react quick enough and he is very, very, very raw. Having said that, he is very gifted and is a good defender. There is an outside shot he becomes a very good player.

    As for Andre Drummond, he has looked very good. Yes, he must improve his free throw shooting. However, he is very young. There is no reason he cannot become a 50%-60% free throw shooter with moderate effort.
     
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    Here we are almost 2 years later. Drummond, in my opinion, looking even worse now than then. I think this kid is gonna bite Detroit in the butt if they decide to pay him. Haven't liked him since before the draft. Free throw shooting hasn't improved one iota. And he looks to totally lost on both ends of the court.

    SVG is a great coach but I'm afraid he's not going to be a good GM for Detroit. At this stage of their careers, Greg Monroe is a far superior player to Drummond. If I were Detroit's GM I would have traded Drummond last summer for about 6 future first rounders and kept Monroe and Josh Smith at the 5/4 spots.

    Drummond is the kind of player that will melt into nothing if he gets a big contract. I see a lack of character, and a lack of basic intelligence, not to mention basketball intelligence and inner drive. He's a bust in my opinion.
     
  5. Mr. Clutch

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    basketballholic
     
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    Before you strain something partying yourself on the back about Drummond, you might want to rethink the assertions around big Al. He pretty much proved last year that he could could put a team on his back and this year, he's starting to roll again. As for Lim and Parsons being great locker room guys, you still hold that torch today? Was Lin ever a good locker room guy?
     
  8. roslolian

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    I don't really see what's the hate with Drummond, the kid's only 21 years old and sometimes it takes a while to become good in the NBA...DMO for example is already 24 and yet is still slightly inconsistent. And DMO has tons of international experience playing against grown men, Drummond spent his highschool and college years just standing in the center and raising his hands up.

    For me inner drive and focus isn't something you see inside the court, it's something you see out of it. Guys like Melo, Iverson, Perkins etc. always turn it up in big games and show a lot of intensity on the floor but if you look at their games they haven't really improved one iota in their professional career, and that's because they were too lazy to work on their game during the offseason.


    On the other hand, a guy like Chuck Hayes doesn't strike you as the fiercest competitor but the dude went from being unable to create a shot for himself and relying on Tmac gimmes during his rookie year to flirting with a triple double night after night as our starting center.

    So right now it's hard to say whether Drummond is just coasting or he's working hard because as a rookie big man he has so many holes to fill, and the improvement he's making might be too small to show up on the court immediately. Let's see how he looks like a couple of years from now.
     
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    Lin and Parsons are great locker room guys. Big Al had his finest moments of his career last year. They finished barely over .500. They're below .500 this season. The only way Al will ever win anything in the NBA is as an ancillary player, not the go-to guy. He's fools gold.
     
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    Keep watching him. He's not progressing. He has no brains and no heart. If he gets a big money deal it's over. He'll take the money and run. I'd trade him myself. He's somewhere in between Daryl Dawkins, Jerome James, and Benoit Benjamin. He looked like a termite in a yoyo last night.

    Chuck Hayes was a winner the first time he stepped on the court for us. Every time dude played we were on the plus side. You could see it. He had heart and he had drive and he had basketball iq running out his ears. Fierce competitor? Chuck Hayes was a fierce competitor from day 1.

    "Let's see how he looks a couple years from now"? I can already see how Drummond looks a couple years from now. There has been no upward progression of his game. He's become more lackadaisical on-court and his awareness is terrible. His defense is falling off.

    Andre Drummond is and will be nothing more than a garbage man in the NBA. And not a good garbage man if his defense doesn't improve. Right now he's just a terrible player.
     
  11. Mr. Clutch

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    Just like TJones rite?
     
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    If TJones doesn't develop a consistent effective jump shot, yes.
     
  13. Panda23

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    Mr. First 3 Quarters.
     
  14. DrNuegebauer

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    You must spread some rep before repping heyp again.
     
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    For the love of god, can we all just collectively decide to put him on ignore now? Maybe he will get the clue and stop posting. Who brings up a thread from 2 years ago to rub it in peoples faces about how right they are when they are still so completely wrong. I'm beginning to wonder if he and what are the same person.
     
  16. Harrisment

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    Eh never mind, not worth it.
     
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  17. robbie380

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    I put him on ignore awhile back. It's much better like that.
     
  18. oakdogg

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    From my eye test, Jamal Crawford and Jarrett Jack are huge chuckers, who typically take shots away from more efficient teammates but are hailed as heroes.
     
  19. Shroopy2

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    How many games are Ricky Rubio, Hassan Whiteside, and Ty Lawson winning?

    Advanced stats aside, the main stat of them all is team record and winning games, right
     
  20. rockbox

    rockbox Around before clutchcity.com

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    Crawford before this season had around a 55 percent TS%. That's pretty good considering he pretty much creates his own offense. Obviously it would be better if he could create for others. But, if he could create for others he would be a borderline max player.
     

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