How much will Yao get since Oden 8.8M qualifying offer?

Oden is 22 and has played more games than yao in the last 2 yrs. I wouldn't spend anything on either.

 

Not the same situation. Yao has already said he'll retire if this doesn't work out. Oden is too young to take that approach. I dont think this will happen, but Oden could potentially "fix" his issues, if they are related to his developed mechanics. On the other hand, it's likely Yao's issues are structural and not able to be fixed.

 

no. i don't think he can fix his problem. can you imagine the older he becomes and the more he plays his body will get better? his problem is related to his bball career. his knee gives up way too earlier. if his problem had nothing to do with playing bball, i would have agreed with you.

 

Maybe it's just me and that I love the rockets but I really think Yao has a better chance to come back to the player he was or better yet just stay on the court the Greg oden does. Iv followed oden since highschool and college it's not like he started getting hurt in the NBA the guy has been hurt his entire life. I'll take the chance on a proven player who hopefully doctors fixed his issues than a player who just has chronic on repairable knees onces ur knees go u can't fix them atleast with Yao there's a couple of cases were players have made comebacks from injuries similar to his

 

any update on Yao's recovery? Will he be on time for season opener?

 

Yeah, if the opener is in Late January.

 

I dont believe any player has really came back from injuries such as yao's. Just one of his injuries maybe, but in this combination, with the procedure he had done? I dont think so. Zydrunas came back after having the realignment done, but he didn't have a break right after like Yao.

i think it comes down to the possible upside of Yao getting healthy. If it happens, then anything up to about 10 million would be a bargain. I think he's going to need 1-2 yrs to show he's healthy, so 5 million for two years is a realistic deal IMO.

 

Knowing Morey, he's going to have some flexible contract in place. If Yao plays like 75% of the games, I think we can pay him like 9 mil a year. But if he ends up being injured, then I think we will only end up paying like 2 million and let insurance play it's role.

We are going to have some incentive based contract in place lol

 

money is not an issue. the issue is how much his contract will be counted against the cap. his salary must be cap friendly if we do end with signing him.

 

Somebody explain the difference between making a qualifying offer to a restricted free agent and having an unrestricted free agent before my head explodes.

 

How do you figure that Oden could "fix" his injury issues? His mechanics are off? His last injury occurred when he went up for a rebound, came down and his knee snapped in half - had nothing to do with his mechanics. The guy has had microfracture surgery on both knees. If Yao's problems are "structural" then the same can be said for Oden. If that's not a big red flag to stay away then I do know what folks around here would need to convince them. The desperation on this board is stifling.

 

If Yao is fair, he will accept the minimum with this in mind:

I've gotten paid by this organization for the past 2 years with barely even playing and screwed over their cap space. I want to pay them back for all they've given me during my injury time and help them win as much as possible so I will help out on cap space.

 

ZERO dollars. Thanks but no thanks to Yao. It's time to move on, guys.

 

the most i'd pay yao if he was able to play is 4 or 5 million. that's to come off the bench and play 20 and in late game situations when they need free throw shooters.

 

Mechanics are not limited to actual movement or jumping. Your mechanics are pretty much any movement, while running, jumping, walking, or even simply bending down to tie your shoe laces. The fact that Oden was coming down for a rebound doesn't rule out his mechanics. Also, if something is wrong with them, your body will usually compensate in some way to allow you to run, jump etc., so sometimes it's the minor movements that cause injury. This is because those minor movements aren't as common or repetitive, and the body may get stuck between trying to compensate and trying to move correctly because the connection between mind and muscle at that moment isn't as great.

Also, look at where the injuries are happening for each player. Yao's injuries aren't even at a joint, where most injuries will happen during sports. His repetitive fractures are clearly due to his feet absorbing all the force when he lands. Since he moves well normally, especially for a guy his size, i would say his mechanics are fine, he's just too big for this game.

Oden, on the other hand, probably would have these injuries even if he didnt play ball. His problems are happening within a joint that is NOT made to be that mobile (knee). It pretty much just opens and closes in one direction and the opposite one. For the knee to be moving in a way that it's tearing the ligaments there's either an outside force, like another player, who's crashing into him, or Oden just had messed up mechanics that force his knee to become more mobile than it should be. Usually your hip and ankle, which are on opposite ends of the knee, are the more mobile joints. If they stay mobile/flexible, then your knee's mechanics should be proper. If they don't, then your knee is forced to move more to allow you to run, jump, etc. The connection here is that Oden has oneleg shorter than the other, due to an old hip fracture, IIRC. If that injury screwed up his hip mobility, than that could make his knee more mobile like I mentioned, causing stress on the ligaments. If one leg is having problems like that, eventually your other leg will too because the body as a whole isn't stable.


All that being said, you missed one important thing. I wrote "i dont think this will happen" when I wrote Oden's problem could be fixed. I dont think it will. I've always said HELL NO in any other "let's sign Oden" thread around here. I dont think he can come back and play well. The only reason I'm giving him some hope is because we're comparing him and Yao. Yao pretty much had the only procedure possible to solve his problem, and it seems like it didnt work for him. Oden, on the other hand, hasn't really gone for any radical surgery, he just gets the injury treated/repaired. There may be something else for him out there he hasn't considered because he's just been trying to heal and get back on the court. He's got time, youth, and possibly science/medicine on his side, which Yao doesn't anymore. That's the only reason why i give him better odds than Yao, but that's not saying much.