1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

Baseball Attendance

Discussion in 'Other Sports' started by MadMax, Apr 25, 2003.

  1. MadMax

    MadMax Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Sep 19, 1999
    Messages:
    73,386
    Likes Received:
    19,477
    I read an article a week or so ago about how attendance at MLB games is down significantly this year from the same point in the season last year. Here are last night's draws:

    Pitt -- 15,967
    Chicago Cubs - 35,673
    Philly - 16,947
    Montreal - 5,964
    Florida - 9,069
    Cincy - 24,333
    Atlanta - 24,184
    Texas - 21,063
    Baltimore - 23,731
    Tampa - 8,618
    KC - 11,981
    Oakland - 11,843
    New York Mets - 31,656

    So in these 13 markets:

    Only 2 drew in excess of 30K
    Only 5 drew in excess of 20K
    Only 7 drew in excess of 15K
    3 didn't draw even 10K
    The average attendance of these games was: 18,540

    Probably most disturbing for MLB has to be disappointments in certain cities:

    1. Texas, Baltimore -- these have been great draws for a while now. the fact they're not indicates these markets are past the days where people will show up just to be part of the atmosphere of the great new ballparks. I know that Balt. and Colorado have both had their record lowest attendance this year already.

    2. Cincy -- holy crap... great tradition...great franchise..new stadium...i think they sold out their opener. that's it. this franchise, with a brand new stadium and nothing else in the city to compete with it right now,won't draw 2 million fans this year.

    3. Oakland, Atlanta -- two playoff teams from last year...neither drawing very well

    4. KC -- geez, guys..if you can't draw fans right now with a 16-3 start, when can you??
     
  2. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

    Joined:
    Dec 6, 2002
    Messages:
    42,755
    Likes Received:
    2,987
    Maybe Texas should trade away Carl Everett.;)
     
  3. IVFL

    IVFL Member

    Joined:
    Jul 6, 2001
    Messages:
    1,371
    Likes Received:
    476
    As a cincy fan I think I know why this is happening. the two reasons I can think of are

    1. the record, the pitching has been poor and the O really has not come around

    2. the tight asses upstairs. I mean Cincy will make more than enough $$$ this year but refuse to spend on players they need, ie starting pitching. Instead they bring in like 36 guys in the spring hoping to find one that can be the #5 starter, please. Fork out some cash, and lets get a quality SP. :mad:

    Still If i lived in Cincy I would be at as many reds games as possible, but I am not. :(
     
  4. mrpaige

    mrpaige Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Feb 5, 2000
    Messages:
    8,831
    Likes Received:
    15
    Or maybe D/Fw residents are finally tired of paying to see a horrible team (especially now that the newness of the A-Rod signing has worn off) and are spending their money on tickets to Stars playoff games and Mavs playoff games.

    Plus, the attendance for the April 24th, 2003 Rangers game was 21,063. For the April 24, 2002 game was 21,072.

    EDITed to correct the date mess-up.
     
    #4 mrpaige, Apr 25, 2003
    Last edited: Apr 25, 2003
  5. Baqui99

    Baqui99 Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jul 11, 2000
    Messages:
    11,493
    Likes Received:
    1,230
    Remember, it's still cold in alot of the northern cities like Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, Chicago, Balto, etc. Maybe when the summer comes around more people will make it out to the ballpark.
     
  6. Supermac34

    Supermac34 President, Von Wafer Fan Club

    Joined:
    Mar 31, 2000
    Messages:
    6,972
    Likes Received:
    2,206
    Yeah, and school isn't out yet.
     
  7. MadMax

    MadMax Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Sep 19, 1999
    Messages:
    73,386
    Likes Received:
    19,477
    All of you make great points...but remember...the article in the Chronicle the other day said attendance was down from over the same period last year around the league. So the weather shouldn't be much of a factor.

    Besides..it has warmed up in many of those places...and still no one's showing up. Cleveland comes to mind, in particular.

    mrpaige -- i agree with your assessment...i think dallas fans are sick of seeing that team play like that, particularly given the money the franchise has spent. but i'm not picking on any one team or city...attendance seems to be down virtually everywhere

    IVFL -- i understand your points...but generally when a baseball team gets a new stadium they get some kind of honeymoon period where fans pack in simply to be a part of the new stadium. that isn't happening in cincy at all.
     
  8. MadMax

    MadMax Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Sep 19, 1999
    Messages:
    73,386
    Likes Received:
    19,477
    was school out this time last year??
     
  9. RocketMan Tex

    RocketMan Tex Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 1999
    Messages:
    18,452
    Likes Received:
    116
    Maybe the fact that the cost of going to a baseball game is so high that people are spending their entertainment dollar in other ways. A decent seat, parking, a hot dog, and the requisite 4 beers will easily cost you fifty bucks.
     
  10. MadMax

    MadMax Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Sep 19, 1999
    Messages:
    73,386
    Likes Received:
    19,477
    i think the sagging economy certainly plays a factor
     
  11. mrpaige

    mrpaige Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Feb 5, 2000
    Messages:
    8,831
    Likes Received:
    15
    But there was a conclusion drawn regarding the stadium that may or may not be accurate.

    For all we know, attendance would be 10,000 if they were still playing at Arlington Stadium (actually, remembeing some of those weekday Arlington Stadium crowds, 10,000 would be a high attendance night... unless Nolan Ryan was pitching).

    But I do think baseball has a problem that is affecting attendance. I don't think the average fan sees the new collective bargaining agreement as that big of a stick to cause a change in the balance of power in MLB. No matter how well the Royals play right now, I doubt there are very many Royals fans who give the team any chance to go to the World Series, let alone win it.

    And when teams are bad for a number of years, attendance can't help but be affected. The Rangers have been awful for a few years now. The Orioles haven't put anything decent together for a period, either. And management at both teams doesn't seem to know what they're doing and changes made in the off-season weren't anything that set the fanbase on fire.

    I know Rangers fans went into the season knowing we were destined for the bottom of the heap. It's hard to get pumped for that. And when you've got the current odds-on Stanley Cup favorite playing across town and on television, and the Mavericks cruising along in the playoffs, and Bill Parcells generating some excitment in the Cowboys fanbase - and the draft is this weekend - the Rangers are going to necessarily suffer.

    Oh yeah, and the economy doesn't help, either.

    I do think baseball has a lot of problems, and I don't think those problems are going to be solved anytime soon, either.
     
  12. MadMax

    MadMax Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Sep 19, 1999
    Messages:
    73,386
    Likes Received:
    19,477
    i didn't say that wasn't a possibility...i am saying that in colorado, baltimore and texas (just to name a few), fans would show up whether the team was good or not due to the novelty of the new stadiums...that period has worn off...and since each probably has about 25 years or so left on their lease, that's a bad sign for MLB. they can't count on that alone to put 30K in the seats anymore.
     
  13. mrpaige

    mrpaige Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Feb 5, 2000
    Messages:
    8,831
    Likes Received:
    15
    Well, then I read to much into what you said. :)

    For what it's worth, I think the Rangers lease only runs 17 more years after this season. Not that that's much better than 25 years, though it sure didn't take the full length of the lease to get Reunion replaced. I'm sure we're only about ten years away from hearing about how the Rangers need another new park.
     
  14. A-Train

    A-Train Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jan 1, 2000
    Messages:
    15,997
    Likes Received:
    38
    The Devil Rays Franchise needs to be put of it's misery. Horrible team, terrible stadium, and apathetic fans...worst sports expansion idea ever...
     
  15. MadMax

    MadMax Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Sep 19, 1999
    Messages:
    73,386
    Likes Received:
    19,477
    agreed
     
  16. Castor27

    Castor27 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Joined:
    Jan 17, 2001
    Messages:
    10,056
    Likes Received:
    1,403
    I know how to increase attendance. Schedule a Wiggles performance. They sell out at unreal rates.


    CK
     
  17. A-Train

    A-Train Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jan 1, 2000
    Messages:
    15,997
    Likes Received:
    38
    Wiggles?
     
  18. VooDooPope

    VooDooPope Love > Hate
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Oct 11, 1999
    Messages:
    9,136
    Likes Received:
    4,547
    I'll take my little girl who is almost 3 to about a dozen games this year... but I haven't gone yet. No real reason, but I just haven't gotten excited about baseball with the Hockey and Basketball playoff underway.

    Baseball does have it's problems, and the economy doesn't help, but it won't stop me from teaching my kids the finer points of supporting the home team.
     
  19. ArtV

    ArtV Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2002
    Messages:
    6,889
    Likes Received:
    1,498
    And you better add 8 more beers onto that price tag if you're attending a Chicago game. ;)

    Seriously, taking the family to the game is very expensive. Add to that the most players don't give the little fans the time of day makes the big fans with the money find something better to do with the family.
     
  20. Castor27

    Castor27 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Joined:
    Jan 17, 2001
    Messages:
    10,056
    Likes Received:
    1,403
    That was mainly for MadMax. The Wiggles are an Aussie singing group for children. They are coming to Houston in August and they sold out both shows in about 30 minutes(they even had campers).
     

Share This Page

  • About ClutchFans

    Since 1996, ClutchFans has been loud and proud covering the Houston Rockets, helping set an industry standard for team fan sites. The forums have been a home for Houston sports fans as well as basketball fanatics around the globe.

  • Support ClutchFans!

    If you find that ClutchFans is a valuable resource for you, please consider becoming a Supporting Member. Supporting Members can upload photos and attachments directly to their posts, customize their user title and more. Gold Supporters see zero ads!


    Upgrade Now