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Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Unstable, Aug 8, 2013.

  1. Unstable

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    To add, there has been talk about trying to balance out the conferences or even doing away with E vs W conferences, so having a numerical basis may offer a way to even out the 2 conference, i.e. it opens an opportunity to say create 2 new conferences (The Liberty Conference and The Unity Conference - and we can then balance the levels of teams in both the conferences).
     
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    Update - after Rockets' 55th game - the RV standings are as follows (yeah I know it sucks that our win streak was stopped).....

    OKC - 1391
    IND - 1366
    SAS - 1366
    MIA - 1362
    POR - 1345
    HOU - 1335
    LAC - 1334
    GSW - 1327
    PHX - 1306
    DAL - 1302
    MEM - 1297
    TOR - 1293
    WAS - 1290
    MIN - 1275
    ATL - 1268
    DEN - 1263
    CHI - 1261
    BKN - 1258
    CHA - 1241
    DET - 1235
    NOP - 1235
    SAC - 1225
    UTA - 1225
    NYK - 1220
    CLE - 1216
    LAL - 1210
    BOS - 1195
    ORL - 1190
    MIL - 1155
    PHI - 1152

    Thanks to our recent win-streak the Rockets have climbed to about 6th in the league at the moment. I think once the players really clicked we will be there with the big boys (in case those of you asking why LAC has dropped below us (they have been holding steady around that mark) - it's just Rockets having climbed upwards due to our recent form). We are still 1-piece shy of making it into contention, that would be how I interpret this......Go Rockets!
     
  3. Unstable

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    Update - RV ranks up till Rocket's 60th Game (for those of you also looking at the player's tracking track - my apologies - as I am pretty tied up with work at the moment so there is delay in crunching the numbers there)...

    OKC - 1387
    MIA - 1373
    SAS - 1368
    IND - 1358
    POR - 1346
    HOU - 1341 (+6 from G55Av)
    LAC - 1338
    GSW - 1329
    DAL - 1306
    MEM - 1304
    PHX - 1301
    TOR - 1299
    WAS - 1293
    MIN - 1279
    CHI - 1278
    BKN - 1264
    ATL - 1256
    CHA, DEN - 1250
    DET - 1232
    UTA - 1224
    NOP - 1223
    SAC - 1222
    CLE - 1220
    NYK - 1213
    LAL - 1207
    ORL - 1190
    BOS - 1188
    MIL - 1154
    PHI - 1140

    Nice to see rockets trending upwards, could be a good build up towards the playoffs - Go Rockets!
     
  4. Unstable

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    Update - after Rocket's 65th game the RV standings are as follows:


    OKC - 1382
    SAS - 1375
    MIA - 1373
    IND - 1351
    LAC - 1347
    HOU - 1345 (+4 from G60Av)
    POR - 1342
    GSW - 1333
    MEM - 1312
    DAL - 1305
    TOR - 1305
    PHX - 1299
    WAS - 1294
    CHI - 1285
    MIN - 1279
    BKN - 1275
    CHA - 1258
    DEN - 1247
    ATL - 1245
    DET - 1228
    CLE - 1222
    NOP - 1221
    SAC - 1219
    UTA - 1215
    NYK - 1212
    LAL - 1206
    ORL - 1189
    BOS - 1188
    MIL - 1152
    PHI - 1130

    Rockets is still holding onto 6th best, let's hope we win the next one againts OKC (would really love to beat them) - Go Rockets!!!
     
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    Update up till Rocket's 70th Game - the scores are as such:

    SAS - 1387
    OKC - 1379
    MIA - 1368
    LAC - 1353
    HOU - 1343 (-2 from G65Av)
    IND - 1341
    POR - 1337
    GSW - 1335
    MEM - 1318
    TOR - 1311
    DAL - 1308
    PHX - 1299
    WAS - 1290
    CHI - 1287
    BKN - 1286
    MIN - 1279
    CHA - 1265
    DEN - 1251
    ATL - 1247
    CLE, DET - 1226
    NOP - 1221
    NYK - 1218
    SAC - 1215
    LAL, UTA - 1205
    BOS - 1187
    ORL - 1184
    MIL - 1148
    PHI - 1115

    Although we dropped 2 Av points - the Rockets have moved up 1 spot due to the poor performance of some top tier teams (namely IND). We are really just a bit shy of contender spot (imho top 4 would be considered contenders in this schema).

    Go Rockets!!!
     
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  6. jtr

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    There are some of us who are following your thoughts. Best.
     
  7. IzakDavid13

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    Repped…good work.
     
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    Way too long. Lol. Trying way too hard.

    Nobody's opinion on here is that important. Mine included.
     
  9. Unstable

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    Update till Rockets 75th Game - the standings are such:

    SAS - 1398
    OKC - 1382
    MIA - 1364
    LAC - 1358
    HOU - 1343 (no change from G70Av)
    GSW - 1336
    IND - 1333
    POR - 1329
    MEM - 1317
    DAL, TOR - 1312
    PHX - 1303
    BKN - 1293
    WAS - 1287
    CHI - 1286
    MIN - 1279
    CHA - 1268
    DEN - 1252
    ATL - 1239
    CLE - 1233
    NOP - 1230
    DET, NYK - 1220
    SAC - 1214
    LAL - 1204
    UTA - 1197
    BOS - 1186
    ORL - 1180
    MIL - 1146
    PHI - 1106

    We are still hovering just outside of contention (top 4 teams) - at the moment, it isn't looking likely that the Pacers displaced the Heats as the top team from the East (unless they are simply doing some kind of strategic resting) - the Spurs are continuing on mechanically but the West seems much more exciting when compared to the West. The Lakers are getting very close to the other "tanking" teams (the sub-1200s) - but it doesn't seem any team can beat the 76ers at this....
     
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    Update - we are close to end of the regular season, here are the figures for G80Av.

    I think we can roughly estimate the rankings of teams from these:

    SAS - 1402
    OKC - 1381
    LAC, MIA - 1360
    HOU - 1339
    GSW- 1336
    POR - 1328
    IND - 1324
    DAL, MEM - 1318
    TOR - 1315
    PHX - 1307
    BKN - 1296
    CHI - 1291
    WAS - 1288
    MIN - 1280
    CHA - 1268
    DEN -1257
    ATL - 1239
    CLE - 1237
    NYK - 1227
    NOP - 1225
    DET - 1217
    SAC - 1213
    LAL - 1201
    UTA - 1193
    ORL - 1182
    BOS - 1179
    MIL - 1143
    PHI - 1103

    Splitting these into the 2 conferences top 8 teams
    Eastern
    (1) IND (1324) vs (8) ATL (1239) - likely victor IND
    (2) MIA (1360) vs (7) CHA (1268) - likely victor MIA
    (3) TOR (1315) vs (6) WAS (1288) - likely victor TOR
    (4) CHI (1291) vs (5) BKN (1296) - likely victor BKN

    Western
    (1) SAS (1402) vs (8) MEM (1318) - likely victor SAS
    (2) OKC (1381) vs (7) DAL (1318) - likely victor OKC
    (3) LAC (1360) vs (6) GSW (1336) - likely victor LAC
    (4) HOU (1339) vs (5) POR (1328) - likely victor HOU

    but all these are on paper - we will see how things go in the actual PO.
     
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    Good work. Very interesting.
     
  12. Unstable

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    Okay not sure if G82Av makes any sense since towards the end of the 1st round, most teams that have already settled their playoffs won't play at their normal levels.

    But for those of you interested here is the Relative Rank Values for the teams in NBA:

    (the other thing I was tracking - i.e. instead of starting all teams at 1271 from Game0 - I had computed their baseline scores from the previous seasons just using no. of games won - end result is that the differential in RV is only about 6 to 7 points - the RV values become closer after around 9 Games - in short in doesn't matter what value we start with, after around 9 games of tracking we are quite close to getting a good picture of the strength of the team wrt to the other teams - please note that this strength is not static it changes as the season progresses)

    G82Av
    SAS - 1402 (62-20)
    OKC - 1379 (59-23)
    LAC - 1361 (57-25)
    MIA - 1356 (54-28)
    HOU - 1338 (54-28)
    GSW- 1337 (51-31)
    POR - 1329 (54-28)
    IND - 1322 (56-26)
    MEM - 1320 (50-32)
    DAL - 1320 (49-33)
    TOR - 1315 (48-34)
    PHX - 1308 (48-34)
    BKN - 1294 (44-38)
    CHI - 1292 (48-34)
    WAS - 1290 (44-38)
    MIN - 1279 (40-42)
    CHA - 1269 (43-39)
    DEN - 1259 (36-46)
    ATL - 1239 (38-44)
    CLE - 1236 (33-49)
    NYK - 1232 (37-45)
    NOP - 1225 (34-48)
    DET - 1215 (29-53)
    SAC - 1214 (28-54)
    LAL - 1201 (27-55)
    UTA - 1191 (25-57)
    ORL - 1182 (23-59)
    BOS - 1177 (25-57)
    MIL - 1142 (15-67)
    PHI - 1105 (19-63)

    Interesting comparisons of RV to total wins - it doesn't tally at every instance - my current thinking is that the difference is likely due to the teams having played different kinds of schedules (i.e. whether they had beaten better or weaker teams in their matchups)

    Next year, I am likely to use these values as a baseline for next season.

    But overall, from the RV - I will rate the teams as such:

    A+ teams: SAS, OKC
    A- teams: LAC, MIA, HOU
    B+ teams: GSW, POR
    B- teams: IND, MEM, DAL
    C+ teams: TOR, PHX
    C-teams: BKN, CHI, WAS
    D teams: MIN, CHA, DEN, ATL, CLE
    F teams: NYK, NOP, DET, SAC, LAL, UTA, ORL, BOS, MIL, PHI

    I think it's a great job that the Rockets have gotten themselves to the A-class teams, we are probably still a bit short of contending but am still hoping that lady luck will smile on us and bring us all the way - Go Rockets!!!
     
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    It sucks that Rockets got knocked out of Round 1 (yeah, we can argue that some of that is due to the inept refereeing and other stuff, we however can't deny the fact that we weren't that great in our own plays). Overall, although I am a bit dissapointed, but I won't complain overmuch seeing this is really the first time this team is playing together - I think we can certainly do much better next season.

    So after Round 1 of playoffs, my calculated RV for the teams are as follows:

    East
    MIA - 1358 -> R2
    IND - 1320 -> R2
    TOR - 1314
    BKN - 1295 -> R2
    CHI - 1291
    WAS - 1291 -> R2
    CHA - 1267
    ATL - 1242

    West
    SAS - 1400 -> R2
    OKC - 1378 -> R2
    LAC - 1361 -> R2
    GSW - 1337
    HOU - 1337
    POR - 1330 -> R2
    DAL - 1322
    MEM - 1320


    At the moment, I can't quite see POR being able to beat SAS, while OKC and LAC may get to 7 games just for us to find who's better.

    On the East, I doubt BKN would be able to extinguish the Heat, and the Pacers looks likely to contain the Wizards.

    At the moment, its looking like an SAS - MIA showdown.
     
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    It would be interesting to see how the calculation plays itself out JUST for the 2 teams playing against each other.

    Nets swept the Heat in the regular season - so the matchup kind of works for them! Obviously playoffs are a different matter altogether, but you'd have to think the self-belief of the Nets will mean something?
     
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    There is always a chance that BKN KO MIA - RV aren't really predictive values but a value calculated after the fact (a numerical summary of a team's performance so far). So the values we are seeing now is that.

    We all know how things can change, a bad call by the referee, someone getting hurt, players making mistakes etc.

    The challenge of playing against teams like SAS and MIA is that these 2 teams has a tendency to gather momentum the more they play in the playoffs. SAS may start slow (having been taken to 7 by DAL) but I predict that they should be able to see off POR in 6.

    MIA started with fire going 4-0 against CHA, so not sure if they may be peaking too soon, but I see them doing it in 5 against BKN

    I think IND should be able to see off WAS in 6 as well. I think IND has a chance of displacing MIA in the ECF (and really I hope they do, at the moment though it seems MIA is at a higher level of performance (which may change after R2).

    The only matchup - I am not too clear about is OKC vs LAC, OKC on paper should be the better performing team. I will go with OKC to win in 6 (not that I like either of the teams) - not sure if there would be any other distractions on the LAC team that may affect their performance. so for WCF it looks like SAS vs OKC - between them I still think SAS is a much more consistent team in terms of performance (I will review this after R2 as well).

    I don't think we would be seeing so many 7-gamers in R2 - but I could be wrong.
     
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    Okay after the 2nd round of Playoffs,

    we are down to 4 teams - and it's the first 2 seeds of east and west conferences as per expected.

    Here are the RV calculated for the teams involved in R2:

    East
    MIA - 1359 (+1)
    IND - 1321 (+1)
    BKN - 1295
    WAS - 1290 (-1)

    West
    SAS - 1401 (+1)
    OKC - 1379 (+1)
    LAC - 1360 (-1)
    POR - 1328 (-2)

    At the moment, it still appears to be an SAS vs MIA finals. But those of you interested in probabilities, SAS vs OKC stands at 50.4% vs 49.6% whilst MIA vs IND stands at 50.7%vs49.3% - so in reality these 2 series are likely to be closely contested.
     
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    We have reached the finals the RV for the 4 remaining teams are calculated as:

    MIA - 1359 (no change)
    SAS - 1402 (+1)

    OKC- 1379 (no change)
    IND - 1320 (-1)

    It looks like SAS should be able to beat MIA this time round. My calculated odds are :50.8:49.2.

    Let's see how that goes - maybe LeBron has another hidden gear somewhere, but I think SAS has what it takes to clinch the chip this year.
     
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    Congratulations to Spurs for winning this (at least Houston has the record of having swept the champions in the regular season).

    Anyways - the final RV scores for the teams are as follows:

    SAS - 1403
    OKC - 1379
    LAC - 1360
    MIA - 1358
    GSW - 1337
    HOU - 1337
    POR - 1328
    DAL - 1322
    IND - 1320
    TOR - 1314
    PHX - 1308
    BKN - 1295
    CHI - 1291
    WAS - 1290
    MIN - 1279
    CHA - 1267
    DEN - 1259
    ATL - 1242
    CLE - 1236
    NYK - 1232
    NOP - 1225
    DET - 1215
    SAC - 1214
    LAL - 1201
    UTA - 1191
    ORL - 1182
    BOS - 1177
    MIL -1142
    PHI - 1105

    I will be using these as baselines to check if next season teams have improved themselves or suffered a drop in performance.... in the mean time I will be back to grinding out the RV for the players......
     

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