still remember after the cowboys texans game in 2002, we went down to sandiego feeling good. then seau n his defense killed carr that game. 35 to 3.he was a beast. one of the best ever.
This is the kind of statement that I have been seeing all over the internet today.......and it makes me sick. Calling Suicide 'Selfish', saying it is a permanent solution to a temporary problem and refusing to have pity towards someone who commits the act shows how uneducated and naive to the issue of Suicide people like you are. Too many people are so misinformed on this and it shows. A vast majority of people that kill themselves have either TBI or deep seeded emotional issues. To say for a second that these people have control in these instances is insane. With the increase in TBI injuries......and science seeing for the first time.....the effects on the brain.......how is it a shocker that suicide rates are climbing in the military and combat sports have a higher rate of suicides than the general public? Also keep in mind that Junior got into the NFL BEFORE anyone had a clue of the negative effects on the brain the game of football has. Advances have only happened over the course of the last 5 years or less. Junior, like many before him, had no clue the damage that was being done before it was too late. Suicide is a serious issue and unless people change their views on it.....and start looking at it as a medical condition instead of a selfish act......the problem will never go away.
Whoever said Im okay with killing one another??? I think you are drawing WAAAYYYYY too many conclusions from my post as Im only referencing the NFL players coming back and suing the NFL. I think thats completely unwarranted, given the path of life they have chosen. If most NFL players have no other avenue to make money, then honestly, I cant imagine what kind of person they are or what kind of negative impact they would have on society...if they are in that bad of a state, they should be thankful that the NFL exists. They arent owed anything by the sport.
These threads and suicide threads never end well. Same arguments over and over again. I've never heard of Seau. Was he like the Mutombo of the NFL? or Garnett?
I think youre missing the point...at least if you are drawing your statements from any sentiments I have had. Football does cause head trauma...and head trauma does cause brain damage. Thats irrefutable. However, brain damage does not equal suicide. That is completely unproven at this point with all the research that has been done. What is proven is that head trauma ages the brain and creates plenty of problems in the future, such as loss of memory, alzheimers, depression, paranoia, etc... There is a very distinct difference between loss of memory and suicide. For example...1/4 americans 18 and older are diagnosed with a major mental disorder every year. Do you realize how staggering that number is? How many of them kill themselves? Suicide is a beast of its own, and many, many factors go into play when dealing with suicide. So yes, brain injury does lead to the brain deteriorating over time, but even with the addition of mental disorders, its very naive to blame a suicide on football...as football players deal with many more issues in their lives outside of their brain injuries (financial issues, fame, stardom, not having anything to fall back on after football, etc...) And no, I dont think its okay for players to live substantially shorter lives...but Im not the creator of the NFL and I have no involvement other than being a fan. And I certainly would never say "toughen up, you get paid well!!". I think there is a big element of stupidity to go and do that to your body on a daily basis. Every person has a right to make their own decisions. Do I enjoy football? Of course...but Im also not putting a gun to the players head and making them entertain me. Its up to them if they want to play, and unfortunately, they have to deal with the negative consequences that come with playing. That's how life works.
I don't think anybody is equating that football or head trauma will lead to suicide but that they can be a contributing factor due to the deterioration of the mind. I've heard many people state that they considered suicide but after thinking it out or talking to somebody or getting some type of help they were able not to make that choice. I don't think that anybody can deny that if you have trauma that causes the sufferer different negative effects that it could contribute to a suicide.
(I attended that game. It was 24 to 3.) But being there and the buzzkill effect after the Cowboys game and how awful the offense was, it felt like 44 to 3.
People who have BRAIN ailments like dementia, hastened Alzeihmers or even major depression with constant migraines arent more likely to want to end their lives? Like saying people with major illness like cancer wont be linked to higher suicides? Doesnt quite compute.
I understand what you are trying to say, but you are putting blinders on if you don't see the link between suicide and chronic traumatic encephalopathy. We know CTE is a result of being hit in the head over and over again. Here are the symptoms of CTE in case you forgot... If you want to tell me that all these things that are caused as a result of brain damage do not increase suicide rates then you are just sticking your head in the sand.
Suicide is selfish, it just is, beyond NFL injuries and so forth. If he thought he had them (the thoughts and things brought on by head injuries), then he should have spoken/warned/scared people up(as many people who deal with depression do). He left 3 kids behind, not thinking/caring of them and the impact it would have on them.
Playing football may increase your risk for CTE, but just because you play, does not mean your brain automatically degenerates. In the majority of cases, it would take at least a couple decades or more for any signs or symptoms to come into play. Yes, you'll have your occasional, instant onset, CTE...but typically, it takes a long time for anything to show up. And yes, I do see a possibility of CTE being a possible risk factor for suicide...but I will never see CTE causing suicide. All those symptoms are things that people deal with on a daily basis. Multiple factors have to come to play for someone to kill themselves. However, football players have to deal with more factors than the average person (again, fame, fortune, girls, retirement at 35, etc...). A football player deals with a lot more at an early stage than a regular dude...and therefore, is more prone to other factors that lead to major depressive disorders. So although I do acknowledge CTE and its possible contribution to suicide, I also think there is much more at play here for the typical football player killing himself.
It says that CTE may cause those symptoms. Viagra may cause severe allergic reactions (rash; hives; itching; difficulty breathing; tightness in the chest; swelling of the mouth, face, lips, or tongue); chest pain; fainting; fast or irregular heartbeat; memory loss; numbness of an arm or leg; one-sided weakness; painful or prolonged erection; ringing in the ears; seizure; severe or persistent dizziness; severe or persistent vision changes; sudden decrease or loss of hearing; sudden decrease or loss of vision in one or both eyes. Before someone signs an NFL contract they need to put the CTE warning label on their contract. They should know already there is a risk when they play such a violent sport, and there are a majority of NFL players who don't get affected by this.
If you just want ignore numbers then you can do, but evidence contradict your anecdotal statements. http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/subjects/f/football/head_injuries/index.html They are six times as likely to commit suicide.
I'm not a doctor. I don't play one on tv. And I didn't sleep at a Holiday Inn last night. I can use logic. And I can read reports! http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/14/sports/14football.html?pagewanted=all Although I'm effectively pasting the whole article, see some key sections below. Everyone is very careful to note that this is just 1 case, that they're not sure what all the contributing factors are (perhaps genetics play a role?) and that CTE itself doesn't specifically lead to suicide... but it clearly leads to things that when combined with other factors can push someone to suicide much easier. As I previously noted, as a parent, I simply can't allow my kids to partake in the sport. Do I look down upon parents who do encourage football? No. that's their choice. My nephew plays football. But it isn't in the cards for my family. If they want to be athletes they'll have to try something else.
Ok...Like Ive stated, there is more to it than just head trauma. Head trauma may cause symptoms such as depression, mood disorders, etc... However, every symptom that head trauma may cause, exists in every day people as well. I see patients, handfuls, every day, that are on anti-depressants, deal with dementia, bipolar disorder, etc... These people werent football players. Everyone experiences some mental issue at some point in their lives, whether its at the age of 40 or 80. Poor judgment, personality changes, loss of memory...these are all symptoms that everyone faces at one point or another. And like Ive stated, football players go through much more than just the play on the field. During their playing days, they make a lot of money, they enjoy the fame, the celebrity lifestyle, they have a confidence off the field that is unmatched, they get the girls, they provide the parties, etc... When they're playing days are over, all of this ends and they realize how little they have to fall back on...they lose the lifestyle and fall into a place where they have nothing to do, at the age of 35, with their entire lives ahead of them. Many of them have financial problems and that creates a devastating situation where they get used to a high end lifestyle, only to be greeted with no financial security and bankruptcy at a later date. And plenty of them fall into a lifestyle of drugs. I have two patients that are ex-NBA players...I see the medications they take...and I can see signs of drug use in their mouths. I know their mental abilities are greatly diminished and that has nothing to do with head trauma. It has to do with the fact that they feel like theyve lost everything once their careers are done. Again, you can show me all the numbers that point to memory loss in football players being 2572% more likely than those that didnt play football. Memory loss is something that everyone starts dealing with at some point in their lives and has no correlation to suicide. At all. I understand that football players deal with head trauma which effects the brain...the symptoms of the head trauma cases are symptoms that every single American deals with in their lives at one point or another. Let me give you a stat...in the last 3 years, there have been 5 suicides among baseball players. Trauma? Or other factors that athletes deal with? Also, people tend to forget the impact that steroids can have on our mental well being. I would say football players are 6 times more likely to use steroids than the guy sitting behind the Bank of America counter.
Lol at you guys continuing to show evidence that head trauma leads to brain disease. No ****. Guess what? So does a deficiency in Vitamin B.
These are the types of things a reasonable mind in a rational state should consider. Sometimes people who want to/do kill themselves are not in a healthy state of mind. Dismissing all suicide issues as selfish is, well, selfish and demonstrates a lack of empathy.
