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Muslim Hate against Jews and Israel spreading in Europe

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  1. sammy

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    Hopefully, Iran has their back. We owed it to them to crush ISIS right away.
     
  2. glynch

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    It is too bad that the brutality of the Israeli state in the present slaughter in Gaza which is supported by 86% of Israelis Jews toward the Palestinians makes some folks hate Jews per se.

    Similarly it is too bad that the tremendous slaughter by the US state of Iraqis, Afghans, and many other nationalities around the world makes some hate Americans per se.

    Same phenomena though you have the simple types likes the OP who try to make it as it is all mindless anti-Semitism by those fiendish Muslims.
     
  3. Mr. Clutch

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    So Christian and Jew hate is justified, Muslim hate is not.

    Well, that's what we are getting, and the left is justifying it.
     
  4. Deji McGever

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    I'm not sure if the left is justifying it and if they are, they are useful idiots of the George Galloway kind. Even Jean-Marie Le Penn is getting upset about what is happening in Europe.

    European anti-semitism is not a joke, unfortunately. Attacking Jewish community centers and synagogues because you don't like Israeli government policy is like beating up Justin Bieber because you don't like Stephen Harper's.

    It certainly doesn't help the Palestinian cause.
     
  5. Deji McGever

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    I suspect American support internally for it's own wars is higher -- "support the troops" and "love it or leave it" and "my country right or wrong" and all that. It's not like anyone should be expecting the Israeli public to be held to a different standard of self-criticism. It's also not surprising when you consider the army is one of compulsory service. Being critical of the army in wartime is pretty taboo. Everyone has a neighbor or family member being called up and sent and people tend to take it personally.

    Considering all that, you have to admire the bravery of Gideon Levy for writing this, and enduring death threats, since he's been critical of the operation since the get-go. He was reporting from the field and had to leave because people recognized him and nearly lynched him, something that has never happened in his long career of being critical of his government' leadership.


    It’s all Hamas’ fault, right Israel?
    More than 1,200 Gazans have been killed, about 80 percent of them civilians. But Israelis’ hands are clean and their consciences are quiet - so quiet you could cry.
    By Gideon Levy | 05:28 31.07.14 | 7


    It’s so easy to be an Israeli; your tender conscience is pure as the driven snow: Everything is Hamas’ fault. The rockets are the fault of Hamas; that can be taken for granted. Hamas started the war, for no reason; that, too, “goes without saying.” Hamas is a vicious terrorist organization, beasts in human form, born to kill, fundamentalists – and apart from that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?

    Some 400,000 Palestinians have been displaced. More than 1,200 have been killed, about 80 percent of them civilians, half of these women and children. Around 50 families have been obliterated, their homes bombed with them inside. It has reached the dimensions of a real massacre. But Israelis’ hands are clean and their consciences are quiet – so quiet you could cry. It’s Hamas’ fault.

    We’ll leave the root causes of this cursed repression and denial to the psychologists. Since the days when Israel accused the Palestinians of killing their own children by means of the Israel Defense Forces, we haven’t seen such denial. After incubating for years, the disease is now a raging epidemic whose carriers are now symptomatic. The national conscience hasn’t moved a muscle in response to this atrocity, and there are forces working to keep it that way.

    But even through the malignant cloud of denial, even understanding how easy it is to blame everything on Hamas — Israel has never had such a convenient enemy, which can be framed for all its sins – we must ask whether everything really is the fault of Hamas. Is Israel genuinely completely innocent? In the face of bleeding, ruined Gaza, the work of Israeli hands, such denial is incomprehensible.

    Hamas is a vicious terror organization? How has it been more vicious than the IDF in this war? In that it doesn’t “knock on the roof” 80 seconds before bombing a home? That it aims its rockets at civilian populations, just as the IDF does, but less effectively? That it wants to destroy Israel? How many Israelis want to destroy Gaza? Meanwhile, everyone knows who is destroying whom.

    Israel’s sanctimoniousness reaches a peak in its concern for Gaza’s residents: Look at how Hamas oppresses them, cry the Israeli democrats, so solicitous of Palestinian rights. Hamas is tyrannical, but its tyranny is nothing compared to that of Israel, which has subjected the Gaza Strip to a seven-year siege and a 47-year occupation.

    What has destroyed Gaza’s society and economy is above all the siege, and thanks to those who seek its welfare, who imposed it. Thanks also to those who are worried about its lack of democracy, who are shocked by the corruption, who denounce its leaders for staying in luxury hotels or hiding in bunkers, who are troubled by the enormous sums used for tunnels and rockets instead of playgrounds and after-school activities. Truly, thanks.

    What about Israel? Do its leaders live in tents? Aren’t enormous sums spent on superfluous submarines and secret explosives, instead of on health, education and welfare? Hamas is fundamentalist? Israel is on the way. Hamas oppresses women? That’s bad, but Israel has that too, at least in one large community.

    Why did Gazans elect Hamas, instead of a moderate leadership? Because the moderates have been trying for years to achieve something, anything, and all they have received is humiliation and Israeli rejectionism. Has Israel given the Palestinians a reason to choose the Palestine Liberation Organization’s route of diplomacy over Hamas’ violent resistance? Has the PLO brought them an inch closer to statehood or freedom?

    Hamas at least won the release of 1,000 prisoners and also preserved a measure of self-respect, even at the terrible price that the desperate Gazans are now willing to pay. What has Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas brought his people? Nothing. A photo op with Barack Obama.

    I’m no fan of Hamas, quite the contrary. But Israel’s attempt to put all the blame on Hamas is outrageous. The international community will soon judge this war’s atrocities. Hamas may be reprimanded, deservedly, but Israel will be condemned and ostracized far more. And then Israelis will say, ‘It’s Hamas’ fault. And the world will laugh.
     
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    It has its own thread, right here. The anti-Semitic incidents have increased a great deal. I heard some reports today on NPR in the car, and it's alarming. The one "good" bit of information (wish I had the source on NPR) is that some of the worst incidents appear to be caused by Neo-Nazi types, the kind of thugs ATW has strongly condemned in the past. The thought is that they are using the general ill feeling among many in the EU about the recent actions of the IDF in Gaza, those of yesterday being the best example, as "cover" for their long time anti-Semitic creed coming to flower. The IDF and the current Israeli government, ironically, are providing much for the "fertilizer."
     
  7. Mr. Clutch

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    Justifying it, excusing it, explaining it, understanding it.

    Whatever it is, the left sure seems to apply a double standard to Muslim hate vs Christian or Jewish hate.
     
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    Allowing the line to be blurred between criticism of Israel's policies and holding all Jewish people collectively responsible for it doesn't serve anyone's interest, but I'm guessing the willingness to do it reflects something that was always under the surface. That sort of thing is kind of hard to imagine in the US.

    Anyone that makes an excuse for it gets no pass from me, that's for sure.
     
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    I know. They could have protested on Twitter with a hashtag.
     
  10. Nook

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    Have you ever been to Israel? Have you ever been anywhere in the Middle East?

    Let me give you a clue... The Jews hate the Muslims and the Muslims hate the Jews... And they both treat each other like ****.
     
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    Yeah, my new vocabulary word of the week is "slacktivist."
     
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    Exodus: Why Europe's Jews Are Fleeing Once Again


    http://www.newsweek.com/2014/08/08/exodus-why-europes-jews-are-fleeing-once-again-261854.html
     

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