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US meets Kyoto CO2 emissions target -- only major country to do so

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by bigtexxx, May 7, 2013.

  1. bigtexxx

    bigtexxx Contributing Member

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    Now this is true irony. The US got so much heat from other countries (specifically Europe) for not ratifying the Kyoto protocol. The greenie liberals in the US were furious, saying that the US didn't care about the environment. Now, thanks largely to energy companies' innovation around fracking, which has enabled low cost natural gas in the US, the US has met the CO2 emissions target as laid out in the Kyoto agreement. The US is the only major country to have done so. US Co2 emissions are at a 20 year low.

    Energy innovation -- a true American success story.

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/04/05/usa-meets-kyoto-protocol-without-ever-embracing-it/

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    USA meets Kyoto protocol goal – without ever embracing it
    Posted on April 5, 2013 by Anthony Watts
    New EIA data shows USA inadvertently meets 1997 Kyoto protocol CO2 emission reductions without ever signing on thanks to a stagnant economy. Lowest level of CO2 emissions since 1994.

    In 2012, a surprising twist and without ever ratifying it, the United States became the first major industrialized nation in the world to meet the United Nation’s original Kyoto Protocol 2012 target for CO2 reductions.

    WUWT readers may recall that Kyoto was an international agreement proposed in December 1997 requiring nations (according to the U.N. press release then) to reduce CO2 emissions by 5.2% by 2012. It became international law when ratified by Russia in November 2004. The United States never ratified Kyoto and is not legally bound by it, even though then vice president Al Gore signed it much to the annoyance of many.

    It expired on December 31st, 2012, with no replacement agreement to follow it.

    Well, it seems like killing the economy went hand in hand with CO2 reductions, imagine that. The graph below is from EIA with my annotations.

    From the EIA report:

    Energy-related carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions in 2012 were the lowest in the United States since 1994, at 5.3 billion metric tons of CO2 (see figure above). With the exception of 2010, emissions have declined every year since 2007.

    The largest drop in emissions in 2012 came from coal, which is used almost exclusively for electricity generation (see figure below). During 2012, particularly in the spring and early summer, low natural gas prices led to competition between natural gas- and coal-fired electric power generators. Lower natural gas prices resulted in reduced levels of coal generation, and increased natural gas generation—a less carbon-intensive fuel for power generation, which shifted power generation from the most carbon-intensive fossil fuel (coal) to the least carbon-intensive fossil fuel (natural gas).
     
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    And all the peasants had to do was throw on an extra jacket during the winter as they slept in their beds.
     
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    thanks obama!
     
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    Ambiguously good news, but I'll take it.

    So wait, is our economy during the bust the main reason for this or conserving energy has nothing to do with it?
     
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    Thanks Great Rescission! Thanks Bush!
     
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    OP's original assertion was off (strange that he would post an article without reading, nvm), but yeah, more because of the economy. Don't think natural gas has had THAT much of an effect yet on total emissions, so it's largely a depressed economy. Odd though, since one would imagine it this was true for US, it would be even more true of the EU.
     
  8. bigtexxx

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    I read the article. Despite a sluggish economy, GDP in the US is now is higher than it was pre-recession. Has been since 2011, actually. So that doesn't explain it all.

    Check coal emissions in the US -- they're down not because of government regulations, but rather they have been replaced by natural gas fired power generation, thanks to energy innovation enabling lower prices.

    If it were purely economic recession driven, then you'd see European countries meeting the Kyoto targets. They haven't yet.
     
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    Do you have any proof?

    http://www.euractiv.com/climate-environment/europes-co2-emissions-growing-ec-news-502537
     
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    Thanks Chuck Norris!!......:eek:

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    I know this would be pretty hard to break down, but is the recovery service driven (less emissions I'm guessing) or manufacturing based (more emissions?). Just tossing out random ideas here. I'll also check out the coal emissions, I know of US's natural gas bonanza and producers are desperate to export it, but didn't know about how much energy its generating already in the US.
     
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    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...ouse-thinks-about-climate-change-in-7-charts/

    CEA wonks say 50% slower growth, and 40% switching fuel sources (a portion of that is solar/wind, but I would guess 80-90% is gas).

    No doubt coal-to-gas switching was a huge contributor to reduced emissions. Curious to see what happens if/when nat gas exports are allowed, and the price doesn't remain as low as it has been.
     
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    The gas shift in energy production has been pretty dramatic, and gas burns a lot cleaner. Gas prices are a bit higher now, but coal-fired plants are shuttering all over the place, or else getting retrofitted as clean-coal or biomass because of MATS regulations, so whatever benefits we got from shifting more electricity production to gas probably won't disappear.

    Meanwhile, gas is expensive in Europe and elsewhere, and people are more worried about nuclear after the Fukushima disaster, so they'll keep burning coal like crazy.
     
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    That's not cool. Why not export our clean coal tech and push the premium under the pretext (all about $$$) of reducing greenhouse emissions.
     
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    Because Europe is already having a hard enough time without paying for uneconomic energy replacements. The reason it has worked in the US is that natural gas is replacing coal because of economic reasons.

    Another factor is less gasoline usage due to more efficient autos replacing less efficient ones. The recession had an impact, but some of that impact was positive in that it made people reevaluate what provided the most utility per $ (ie replace Hummer with Camry).
     
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    http://www.weather.com/news/science/environment/greenhouse-gas-milestone-20130511


    Worldwide levels of the chief greenhouse gas that causes global warming have hit a milestone, reaching an amount never before encountered by humans, federal scientists said Friday.

    ...The level of carbon dioxide in the air is rising faster than in the past decades, despite international efforts by developed nations to curb it. On average the amount is growing by about 2 ppm per year. That's 100 times faster than at the end of the Ice Age.
    Back then, it took 7,000 years for carbon dioxide to reach 80 ppm, Tans said. Because of the burning of fossil fuels, such as oil and coal, carbon dioxide levels have gone up by that amount in just 55 years.
     
  17. bigtexxx

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    From the sources I have seen, the US has over a hundred years worth of natural gas under about $5-6/mmbtu. LNG exports won't make much of an impact at all.
     

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