2012 Presidential Election: Romney vs. Obama

[jopatmc]

Originally Posted by rocketsjudoka Do you know who Joss Whedon is?

..yes.

[BigBenito]

I'm an independent and my impression was of a guy being a smart alec, using big words and phrases, that if you asked him the meaning of them, he couldn't tell you to save his life. My impression was this was a written script, memorized and rehearsed by a member of the acting community. My impression is the guy himself has no idea what he is talking about.

Do you know who Joss Whedon is?

..yes.

My impression is of a guy being a smart alec, not knowing who he is talking about.

[A_3PO]

Originally Posted by SamFisher I look forward to your resumption of normal "video without comment" posting until 2016. As for jopatmc - I look forward to his continued existence in the alternate reality where Romney is president, Vasilis Spanoulis has supplanted Tony Parker as the Spurs unquestioned leader, Ricky Rubio is being mentioned along with Magic, Jordan and Bird, and starting at Center, for your Houston Rockets, in his 9th season, at 7 feet tall, out of Southwest Atlanta Christian Academy..... ..because hopefully I will not have to read his trolling in this one (if he actually bothers to leave, which I doubt he will).

Don't forget the Lakers are defending NBA champions because low-post scoring is the most important thing in the NBA and Jared Sullinger will set the NBA on fire and eventually join the Hall of Fame.

[rocketsjudoka]

Originally Posted by BigBenito My impression is of a guy being a smart alec, not knowing who he is talking about.

[rocketsjudoka]

Originally Posted by BigBenito If Romney promised to bring back Firefly, he would get my vote. (even if he changed positions 10 minutes later.)

He would probably bring back Andromeda without realizing he had the wrong show.

[mc mark]

Originally Posted by rocketsjudoka I don't think this deserves its own thread but since many have been accusing the Obama campaign of desperation this sounds pretty desperate from the Romney campaign. http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2...ite&ocid=msnhp

Romney is going to regret this ad


Misleading Romney Auto Ad Backfires With Media

In news articles, tweets, and other media, members of the national press, usually reluctant to criticize campaigns directly, have taken Romney to task for running a misleading TV ad creating the false impression that Jeep will ship jobs to China because of President Obama’s auto rescue.

[Major]

Originally Posted by mc mark Romney is going to regret this ad Misleading Romney Auto Ad Backfires With Media

I'm not so sure about that - while it's great to talk about, if you're still undecided at this point, you're a pretty low information voter for the most part. And in that case, you're more likely to be influenced by ads than hear the political media class fact-checking it or anything like that. The only way it hurts him is if it makes the national broadcast news that he's lying in his ads, and that seems fairly unlikely - especially with political coverage being limited anyway by the hurricane. If you're going to lie, the last week of the campaign is a great time to do it.

[across110thstreet]

Barack acting all Commander In Chief POTUS style during election crunch time and National State of Emergency crisis mode...

[mc mark]

And in that case, you're more likely to be influenced by ads

This ad is running in states that have been saturated with politics for a year. Especially about the auto bailout. I'm dubious there are low information voters in WI, OH & MI. Don’t you think most people seeing it won't have a facepalm moment?

[peleincubus]

Originally Posted by Major I'm not so sure about that - while it's great to talk about, if you're still undecided at this point, you're a pretty low information voter for the most part. And in that case, you're more likely to be influenced by ads than hear the political media class fact-checking it or anything like that. The only way it hurts him is if it makes the national broadcast news that he's lying in his ads, and that seems fairly unlikely - especially with political coverage being limited anyway by the hurricane. If you're going to lie, the last week of the campaign is a great time to do it.

you never know what could help. if a certain state ends up being as close as florida a few things could tilt the entire state because you changed a 1000 people's mind.

[Commodore]

Originally Posted by mc mark Romney is going to regret this ad Misleading Romney Auto Ad Backfires With Media In news articles, tweets, and other media, members of the national press, usually reluctant to criticize campaigns directly, have taken Romney to task for running a misleading TV ad creating the false impression that Jeep will ship jobs to China because of President Obama’s auto rescue.

Why are they building in China instead of here?

[Rocketman95]

Originally Posted by Commodore Why are they building in China instead of here?

Probably for the same reason Ford and GM build their cars in China for that market. Or Toyota building here.

[NewRoxFan]

Originally Posted by Commodore Why are they building in China instead of here?

Why would Chrysler want to make Jeeps in China? Lots of reasons, but one big one in particular: China places heavy taxes on imported cars and trucks. Non-Chinese automakers that want to do business in China's booming auto market are almost always better off building their cars and trucks locally. Nearly all of the automakers you've ever heard of are either building cars in China already or making plans to do so.

http://www.dailyfinance.com/2012/10/...rong-false-gm/

[Steve_Francis_rules]

Originally Posted by mc mark Romney is going to regret this ad Misleading Romney Auto Ad Backfires With Media In news articles, tweets, and other media, members of the national press, usually reluctant to criticize campaigns directly, have taken Romney to task for running a misleading TV ad creating the false impression that Jeep will ship jobs to China because of President Obama’s auto rescue.

The bolded part is just priceless. What universe is this writer living in? When has the media ever been reluctant to directly criticize a (Republican) campaign?

[Kyakko]

I'm watching the Clinton speech in Ohio. Obama, must be thanking his stars Clinton is on his side. He's a good speech giver. Great tone, enthusiastic and convincing. Just detailed enough to not be boring and vague enough have most people agree.

[mc mark]

Originally Posted by Steve_Francis_rules The bolded part is just priceless. What universe is this writer living in? When has the media ever been reluctant to directly criticize a (Republican) campaign?

If the media had done it's job and called Romney on his mendacity and fabrications this election he would have dropped out during the primaries in shame. Even Newt called him the most dishonest debater in history.

[basso]

Originally Posted by across110thstreet Obama doing his job...

FTFY.

why did he fly to vegas after Benghazi?

[ROXTXIA]

Originally Posted by basso FTFY. why did he fly to vegas after Benghazi?

Because they also have phones in Vegas, and he wasn't going to fly to Benghazi for a phone op, and aren't you guys just the weeeeee bit tired of this?

[tallanvor]

Originally Posted by ROXTXIA Because they also have phones in Vegas, and he wasn't going to fly to Benghazi for a phone op, and aren't you guys just the weeeeee bit tired of this?

Why did he skip his intelligence briefing to go to the fundraiser in Vegas?

[Major]

Originally Posted by tallanvor Why did he skip his intelligence briefing to go to the fundraiser in Vegas?

Probably because, like Reagan who attended virtually zero of his Presidential briefings, there are multiple ways to communicate information, and Obama normally gets his in writing. And amazingly, you can read (and call people) from a plane.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...e190_blog.html

George W. Bush “wanted personal and oral, and that matched CIA’s institutional interest in face to face with the president, much better for their bureaucratic politics, but unclear how good it was for presidential decision making,” he said. “On Iraq WMD [weapons of mass destruction], the direct brief was clearly pernicious; reading might have pointed to the dissents, but the briefers did not.”

In contrast, Bill “Clinton the reader was known to comment that his morning papers were better than the intel brief, and better written — to the point that the CIA director James Woolsey joked that when that Cessna crashed into the White House, that was him seeking an audience with the president.”

Richard Nixon also had few, if any, oral briefings and instead received his intelligence from the morning memo of his national security adviser, Henry Kissinger.

According to a CIA history of the PDB written by John L. Helgerson:

Throughout the Nixon presidency, the PDB was delivered by courier to Kissinger’s office. Each day Kissinger delivered to the President a package of material that included the PDB along with material from the State Department, the White House Situation Room, the Joint Chiefs, and others. Nixon would keep the material on his desk, reading it at his convenience throughout the day. Feedback to the Agency typically was provided by Kissinger directly to the DCI.

Interestingly, the history says that Gerald Ford, who became president when Nixon resigned, decided to add an oral briefing from a CIA official as his first meeting of the morning so he would be better prepared for foreign-policy discussions with Kissinger, who had become Secretary of State.

Jimmy Carter scrapped the oral briefing and instead relied on a one-on-one meeting with his national security adviser, Zbigniew Brzezinski. But he wrote frequent comments on the PDB, so that “the CIA received considerably more feedback from Carter than it had from Ford,” the history said.

Ronald Reagan, meanwhile, also almost never received oral briefings or had meetings with CIA personnel. Here is how the CIA history puts it:

Agency officers who provided daily intelligence support to the White House during the Reagan administration remember that his several national security advisers varied markedly in the time and attention they devoted to the PDB. In all cases, however, they received the Agency’s briefer every day, read the PDB, and ensured that it was forwarded to the President.

Thinking back over the eight years of the two Reagan administrations, the Agency’s briefing officer remembered only one or two occasions when the National Security Adviser took him into the Oval Office to brief the President directly. Unlike Carter, Reagan almost never wrote comments or questions on the PDB.

Then, George H.W. Bush, who had once served as CIA director, reinstituted an oral briefing, read the PDB closely and even examined raw intelligence reports. “CIA’s relationship with Bush was undoubtedly the most productive it had enjoyed with any of the nine presidents it served since the Agency’s founding in 1947,” concluded the history, which was written in 1996.