Rockets Free agency 2013

[konver5ation]

Oh and about your recruiting argument.... Why wouldn't he try and recruit players since he's smart enough to know the team as presently constructed isn't going to the WC Finals? Clearly he would do that and if they could get someone to help him then maybe you could then guarantee he would stay. That hasn't happened though, so CP3 recruiting others doesn't mean he likes the team enough to stay, more likely to mean the opposite.

I'm assuming they get bounced early in the playoffs and once that happens, unless they make a good trade or sign some major help, 50/50 chance he leaves and that's the definition of available in this Bird Rights CBA.

[roxxy]

Originally Posted by konver5ation Oh and about your recruiting argument.... Why wouldn't he try and recruit players since he's smart enough to know the team as presently constructed isn't going to the WC Finals? Clearly he would do that and if they could get someone to help him then maybe you could then guarantee he would stay. That hasn't happened though, so CP3 recruiting others doesn't mean he likes the team enough to stay, more likely to mean the opposite. I'm assuming they get bounced early in the playoffs and once that happens, unless they make a good trade or sign some major help, 50/50 chance he leaves and that's the definition of available in this Bird Rights CBA.

I never guaranteed he would never leave I just said I don't see it happening. And if he wants to go and join with a competitive team why wouldn't he go lets say & join the Knicks in NY with Carmelo and Tyson in the East. I doubt he leaves LA nonetheless to be honest. For example, what motivation would he have coming to Houston? He will get more money in LA, coming to H-town doesn't increase his chances at a ring?

[konver5ation]

Originally Posted by roxxy I never guaranteed he would never leave I just said I don't see it happening. And if he wants to go and join with a competitive team why wouldn't he go lets say & join the Knicks in NY with Carmelo and Tyson in the East. I doubt he leaves LA nonetheless to be honest. For example, what motivation would he have coming to Houston? He will get more money in LA, coming to H-town doesn't increase his chances at a ring?

Congrats, you found a couple reasons why he'd stay or not come to Houston.

Unfortunately for the relevance of your entire post, I can do that for any player listed.

The implication then is that he ought not be any less considered than other Unrestricted FAs with Bird rights incentives. That's what our disagreement comes down to, don't try to move the goalposts. I think I've made a clear point, I even quantified it (50/50) and admitted my assumption (early playoff exit for the 2nd year in a row). I'm done.

[roxxy]

Originally Posted by konver5ation Congrats, you found a couple reasons why he'd stay or not come to Houston. Unfortunately for the relevance of your entire post, I can do that for any player listed. The implication then is that he ought not be any less considered than other Unrestricted FAs with Bird rights incentives. That's what our disagreement comes down to, don't try to move the goalposts. I think I've made a clear point, I even quantified it (50/50) and admitted my assumption (early playoff exit for the 2nd year in a row). I'm done.

Lol. Was that what we were disagreeing on? I didn't know that. In that case then we see eye to eye. I never once said that he shouldn't be considered. Your putting words in my mouth. Morey would be foolish to not do his due diligence. I just said I don't see him happening for the Rockets for a few reasons that outweigh what you suggested as to why he would become a rocket. I also never said it is out of the realm of possibility. In my opinion I just think it is unlikely. Anyway. Thanks for the conversation. Later.

[emjohn]

Welcome to Houston, Mr. Howard.

[rocketseagles07]

Originally Posted by RockSC Can we at least see how this year plays out before worry about next year's FAs? Plus, screw Bynum.

agree on the first part, especially when we probably won't sign anyone in next year anyways. As for the second part I disagree, as long as bynum is healthy I expect him to have a career year. His injury history isn't as bad as people make it out to be and he hasn't had the same injuries his whole career.

[lookabove]

Even if Lin and Lamb had all-star year.
Houston should give max money and length in years to Harden, if he doesn't re-up before free agency starts. Houston should put as much pressure luxury tax pressure on OKC to break-up that team because I think they could be potential dynasty team they can keep core together.

[oakdogg]

I second Al Jefferson.

[Aruba77]

Originally Posted by OakdoggV3 I second Al Jefferson.

no Ibaka, no Dwight, no Bynum = Al Jefferson (the best available option ...still only 27)

Al Jeff/Asik/D-Mo 4/5 rotation = bad ass!

[Nimo]

Kobe Bryant

[DonatasFanboy]

Originally Posted by Aruba77 no Ibaka, no Dwight, no Bynum = Al Jefferson (the best available option ...still only 27)

even excluding those 3 and Chris Paul... he wouldn't even be top 5 on my list of best free agents.

[DonatasFanboy]

i haven't checked how much cap space the Rockets are going to have, but I'd extend offers to both Harden and Pekovic. After that there'd be a couple options B and C.

Al Jefferson is not a bad idea, he might make sense next to Asik (should probably lose some 30 pounds to transition to 4).
But I don't think he's the best idea either. Flawed, hard to build around, will be very expensive, injury risk. Not someone I'd want to build around.

[bgp10626]

I would go and sign Pekovic and Paul or any PG and SG. then i think we should be set.

Paul / Lin
Lamb / FA
Parson / Jones
Donuts / White / Jones
Pekovic / Asik

[Aruba77]

Originally Posted by DonatasFanboy even excluding those 3 and Chris Paul... he wouldn't even be top 5 on my list of best free agents.

Why? you don't like 6'10" guys that average 19pts/9.6reb/1.7blocks per game, and don't turn the ball over?

Bynum had 18.7pts/11.8reb/1.9blocks per game, with more than twice the turnovers, and half the assists.

i'm not saying that Al Jeff is a better prospect than Bynum, but i'd love to see the list of 5 other FA's (excluding Dwight, Bynum, Ibaka, and Paul) who you think are better.

[finsraider]

Harden.

He's the only top level free agent who's current team may not be able to resign him. OKC won't let him walk for free, so if he is traded, it will be at the deadline.

Martin, Lamb, Dallas 1st, and Bobcat 2nd for Harden and cap filler.

Lin / Douglas
Harden / Delfino
Parsons/ White
Patterson / DMo
Asik / Jones

Still have our 2013 pick (assuming we don't make the playoffs), and Torontos #1 (4-14). One more star makes us a CONTENDER.

[DonatasFanboy]

Originally Posted by Aruba77 Why? you don't like 6'10" guys that average 19pts/9.6reb/1.7blocks per game, and don't turn the ball over?

one of the softest and otherwise limited 19-9ers you'll ever find. not a huge fan.

but i didn't say he's a terrible player either.
just not close to best options, IMO.

Is he even the best free agent on his own team? If you are so stats-focused, look at Milsap. Who's also tough, defends and hustles too.

Originally Posted by Aruba77 i'd love to see the list of 5 other FA's (excluding Dwight, Bynum, Ibaka, and Paul) who you think are better.

Best players... Harden, Pekovic, Manu, Iggy, Josh Smith probably.
Best targets for the Rockets based on age, talent and health... Harden, Pekovic... then... probably Curry, Lawson...... then..... probably Tyreke and Josh Smith.

[Nimo]

Some unknown player that is going to have a great stretch of games this year that will earn him a major contract with the Rockets.

[Aruba77]

Originally Posted by DonatasFanboy one of the softest and otherwise limited 19-9ers you'll ever find. not a huge fan. but i didn't say he's a terrible player either. just not close to best options, IMO. Is he even the best free agent on his own team? If you are so stats-focused, look at Milsap. Who's also tough, defends and hustles too. Best players... Harden, Pekovic, Manu, Iggy, Josh Smith probably. Best targets for the Rockets based on age, talent and health... Harden, Pekovic... then... probably Curry, Lawson...... then..... probably Tyreke and Josh Smith.

You're probably right on Harden. Iggy and Smith are a wash v Jefferson. Manu is 35 (enough said). Pekovic averages few points and fewer rebounds, he's only an inch taller than Al Jeff, and they're basically the same age. Curry (injury prone) and Lawson are likely never hitting the free agent market. And did you really mention Tyreke Evens as being better than Al Jeff? Really?

Point taken on Harden, but i think it's harder to find a 19/9 PF/C than the rest of the guys you mentioned.

[DonatasFanboy]

Originally Posted by Aruba77 You're probably right on Harden. Iggy and Smith are a wash v Jefferson. Manu is 35 (enough said). Pekovic averages few points and fewer rebounds, he's only an inch taller than Al Jeff, and they're basically the same age. Curry (injury prone) and Lawson are likely never hitting the free agent market. And did you really mention Tyreke Evens as being better than Al Jeff? Really? Point taken on Harden, but i think it's harder to find a 19/9 PF/C than the rest of the guys you mentioned.

If we move the goalposts far enough, i'm sure we could end up with Jefferson in top 5 one way or another.
But you didn't ask me to predict who's going to hit the market. Or who's going to be matched in free agency. Or whatever. You asked me who are better.

That's a simple question, and I gave a simple answer (although i doubt that you fully read it; i clearly made a separation between 'best players' and 'best targets for the Rockets', which you clearly didn't understand judging by your reply)

And re Pekovic and all those stats --- you are wrong to be so stats focused.
Well, some stats are good. But you are focusing on the most basic ones.
Pekovic is an extremely tough, very solid defensively big man. He's the opposite of Al Jefferson.
Pair Pekovic with a rim protecting PF, and you are going to have one of the best defensive front courts in the NBA.

[jayhow92]

Harden is likely the big target. If we can nab him from FA (or some sort of S&T) and draft a center like Golbert, we should be fine going down the line.

Lin
Harden
Parsons
Dmo
Asik/Gobert