Kobe thinks 2012 Olympic squad could beat "The Dream Team" - Page 6

DonatasFanboy · 07-11-2012, 03:17 AM

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Originally Posted by bslimp

Barkley would eat Marshmallow. The bigs would dominate, pippen would be a great athletic defender at forward. Jordan would rule. And the pgs would facilitate the offense. Old dream team is much more balanced and traditional and even with a bad back bird could still nail the three.. and he'd rise up if they needed him which they didn't. I think the younger guys always favor the players they see... And by the way they dream team was very athletic.... Players in the 90s were not all that long ago.

I think they'd go with Stockton/Malone mainly. I'm not a fan of what Barkley would do there defensively. Stockton would help against the zone and add some defense and nastiness.
Jordan, Pippen. Either of the centers.
I think Drexler and Mullin would probably be the main bench guys, not Bird. It's just hard to "rise up" when you are retired, out of shape and defended by a world class defender. But who knows.

Icehouse · 07-11-2012, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by DonatasFanboy

high level =/= Magic level.
There's no chance for Magic to defend those guys in 1992. He had trouble guarding those little jet types like Isiah even in his prime, 2-5 years before that.

So if you use Magic a lot, you'd have to be creative with defense.
And then you'd have to find a lineup that makes sense offensively.

Basically, that discussion is moot because Paul and Magic wouldn't be matched up directly.
The 1992 team would have Magic defending a forward.
The 2012 team on the other hand would just play zone and force you to bring either Stockton, Mullin or Bird, or even two of them. If you bring Bird or Mullin and take out Pippen or Jordan, your defense takes a hit. If you bring in Stockton and replace Magic, it makes a lot of sense.

So again, the key advantage for the Dream Team is Robinson/Ewing IMO, not the point guard position.

Take Magic off that team and they would still mop the 2012 squad. You do realize the Bulls never had a traditional PG? Pippen can handle PG duties and defend every "quick" PG on the 2012 team. And the team would still have Jordan and Drexler left to defend the other wings, with Robinson and Ewing backing them up. Not an issue. And for some reason, I don't know why folks act like Stockton was a horrible defender. He was actually a good one (5 all D teams).

FLASH21 · 07-11-2012, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Roachiep

I was young, but I do remember how dominant the Dream Team was. But they played at a time when the talent level of basketball throughout the rest of the world was only a shadow of how great it has become in the game today.
The game is played differently today. No longer are great post players needed to make great teams. International competition gives a perfect example of this. I think the US roster in this and the last Olympics is a perfect example of that. Its an up and down the floor game played today, very few set plays are run specifically for a big man to post up and try to score. Perimeter oriented, speed/athleticism based.
Im not at all discounting how ridiculously good the Dream Team was. I just think that the 2012 team is much more comparable to the Dream Team than it seems that many people are giving them credit for.
I wish it was possible to see how a matchup of these two amazing collections of players would turn out.

Yet Barkley, Malone, Ewing, Robinson would have absolutely murdered any combination of Scola, Oberto or M. Gasol, P. Gasol with their toughness and rebounding alone. Then you'd put Jordan and Pippen on Manu's and Rudy Fernandez's of their respective countries and it's over!

Having an aged Stockton and Magic along with Clyde is a luxury in itself, they'd get run out of the gym regardless, now OR then. Period point blank. Thread/

Kate81 · 07-11-2012, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by BEAT LA

The strongest, deepest position on the 2012 Olympic team is the SF position. The greatest wing defender of all time is Scottie Pippen. Jordan would run circles around a 34 year old Kobe. Ewing and Robinson would light up Chandler.

Run circles around Kobe... calm down there buddy.

FLASH21 · 07-11-2012, 08:39 AM

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Run circles around Kobe... calm down there buddy.

Ummmmm........ yeah, CIRCLES.

smr6 · 07-11-2012, 08:43 AM

Dream team would make a living in the paint against the players these days. They would physically abuse them and go to work.

tinywang · 07-11-2012, 08:54 AM

Kobe thinks Kobe can beat anyone.

Alvin Choo · 07-11-2012, 08:59 AM

The way some of the posters goes, you would think that 2012 team is a team of collage kids... wait, make that high schoolers.

Yes I do think that at the end Dream Team will still win it, but its not played between men and boys. As many posters shown, most of the dream team members are in their mid 20s, not every single one of them is in their prime, where a few posters are thinking.

kovacs242 · 07-11-2012, 09:11 AM

Okay so who would make the Dream Team roster from this squad?

LeBron and Durant certainly, Chris Paul without a doubt and that's it. The others? Kobe is iffy. Kobe at this point of his career is no better than Clyde was in 1992. Kobe is only a slightly better player than Clyde overall.

wfeebs · 07-11-2012, 09:12 AM

Forget all the physical attributes for all these players, the Dream team played with such an intelligence and high basketball IQ, that the 2012 team wouldn't even know what hit them. No slight to this year's team, but we're comparing them to the greatest team of all time.

DonatasFanboy · 07-11-2012, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Icehouse

Take Magic off that team and they would still mop the 2012 squad. You do realize the Bulls never had a traditional PG? Pippen can handle PG duties and defend every "quick" PG on the 2012 team. And the team would still have Jordan and Drexler left to defend the other wings, with Robinson and Ewing backing them up. Not an issue. And for some reason, I don't know why folks act like Stockton was a horrible defender. He was actually a good one (5 all D teams).

you need to read my post(s).
i'm saying that the 1992 team would probably win. But Magic won't be a key to that win.
Not every criticism is an extreme criticism.

wekko368 · 07-11-2012, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by DonatasFanboy

you need to read my post(s).
i'm saying that the 1992 team would probably win. But Magic won't be a key to that win.
Not every criticism is an extreme criticism.

Like I told you before, if Magic's presence relegates Williams/Paul/Westbrook to the bench, that's a pretty big contribution to the win....

DonatasFanboy · 07-11-2012, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by wekko368

Like I told you before, if Magic's presence relegates Williams/Paul/Westbrook to the bench, that's a pretty big contribution to the win....

it doesn't.

wekko368 · 07-11-2012, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by DonatasFanboy

it doesn't.

Sure it does. If Magic is on the court, Williams/Paul/Westbrook can't be. There's no one they could guard.

DonatasFanboy · 07-11-2012, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by wekko368

Sure it does. If Magic is on the court, Williams/Paul/Westbrook can't be. There's no one they could guard.

honestly, i've answered that a few times extensively.

Classic · 07-11-2012, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Sigmund

No one disputes any facts on here, you just write fantasies.

"Magic was the best PG of all time"

He hadn't played in over a year and played very very few minutes. Non-factor. Not even part of the rotation.

Bird? Injured as has been discussed over and over again. Again, not a factor.

Laetner? LoL

Malone?

Stockton hardly played. He's highly over rated to begin with.

So basically Dream Team was lacking a true point guard. They had Pippen running the point a lot. They basically relied heavily on Mullin, Barkley, Jordan, Ewing and Pippen.

Dream Team shot horribly from outside. Mullin and Barley shot well but that was about it.

Jordan shot really badly and had the second worst FG%

The one advantage the Dream Team had was Ewing.

2012 team has way more experience both playing together and in international play. I mean come on.

blah blah blah...

You know why your POV reeks of baby vomit? It's because you casually dismiss in your keen analysis a 29 yr old '92 Jordan. In one line. He's the GOAT and at his peak in '92 playing against international scrubs but yet he has the 2nd worst FG%. Wow.

But, carry on. To each his own.

wekko368 · 07-11-2012, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by DonatasFanboy

honestly, i've answered that a few times extensively.

Yeah, you answered by providing a lineup that didn't have Williams/Paul/Westbrook.

That means that Magic's presence relegates them to the bench, and that Magic would've played a key role.

And that means you're wrong about Magic.

DonatasFanboy · 07-11-2012, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by wekko368

Yeah, you answered by providing a lineup that didn't have Williams/Paul/Westbrook.

no...

dachuda86 · 07-11-2012, 10:06 AM

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1660698.html

Kobe should shut his mouth.

wekko368 · 07-11-2012, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by wekko368

Yeah, you answered by providing a lineup that didn't have Williams/Paul/Westbrook.

That means that Magic's presence relegates them to the bench, and that Magic would've played a key role.

And that means you're wrong about Magic.

no...

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Originally Posted by DonatasFanboy

In that case, idk what exactly the lineup would be, i'd have to think about it more. LeBron-Kobe-Durant-Melo-Tyson? LeBron-Iggy-Durant-Love-Tyson maybe. I'm not sure. When Magic sits, go with a normal point on Stockton.

yeah...