Another thread on Kobe's Place in History, but with a slight twist.

[AXG]

Originally Posted by roslolian Sure MJ won 6 rings, but the Bulls were already good enough to reach the finals without him, getting 6 rings is no surprise.

How many times have the Bulls reached the finals without Jordan?

Answer: none

[WEHTT90s]

Kobe is more on par with the guys in the 3rd tier. I'd rank Jerry West and Oscar Robertson ahead of Kobe.

Pau Gasol deserved more all star appearances. It's harder being an all-star in the West, especially at his position.

[dharocks]

Originally Posted by WEHTT90s Kobe is more on par with the guys in the 3rd tier. I'd rank Jerry West and Oscar Robertson ahead of Kobe. Pau Gasol deserved more all star appearances. It's harder being an all-star in the West, especially at his position.

Many consider Oscar a PG, or I'd personally put him on the same tier with, or maybe better than Kobe. From everything I've read and heard about him, Oscar's personality has always reminded me of sort of a mix between Kobe and Barry Bonds.

[LCAhmed]

Kobe has got the awards to set him apart from the Tier 3 guys including: Championships, MVP award, All-Star MVP awards, scoring titles. I feel that him being the closest thing to Jordan is appropriate.

[cjtaylorpt]

Where would you rank this thread amongst the other Kobe VS Jordan threads?

[Classic]

Originally Posted by NBA_Elite

And that's with some soft ass perimeter rules that clearly benefit the players today. Jordan dealt with real centers in his day and hand checking every time on his way to the hoop.


Jordan>>>>>>>>>>>Kobe>>>>>>>>rest

[Jacinto]

Originally Posted by NBA_Elite

the end.

[Jacinto]

Originally Posted by roslolian Honestly the more I see this graphic the more I think MJ was overrated. Sure MJ won 6 rings, but the Bulls were already good enough to reach the finals without him, getting 6 rings is no surprise. If Kobe or Lebron had been born that time and was drafted by the Bulls I think they might actually have more, simply because Kobe/LBJ wouldn't retire 2 times and break up the dynasty. Sure MJ put up a ton of his points, but his team was like the Cleveland cast except with HOF talent: except for the "sidekick" nobody on the team could create their own shot. The result was that MJ could take tons of shots. Admittedly he shot an amazing FG% for most of his career, but then again was played in a league that still had a lot of unathletic white dudes playing when they had no business being there. To be quite honest, it was a lot like Chamberlain toying with unathletic white big men during his time.

wow, this is actually the most stupidest post I have ever read in my entire life.

[gmoney411]

Originally Posted by ApuN This whole argument is ridiculous. Kobe began his career with a playoff squad and he was paired with the most dominant center of his era that already led a team to he finals. You Kobe lovers just refuse to accept that he is overrated. I put Elgin Baylor ahead of him. He is more like tier 3 or 4.

Your line of reasoning completely ignores the fact that Kobe spent many of his best years playing with that dominant center and then with trash players when Shaq left. Yes, Kobe was thrown on a good team but it wasn't until later in his career that a team built for him was finally put together. Kobe wasted some of his prime years with players like Smush Parker and Luke Walton as his supporting cast. I believe there is a pretty good chance that if the Lakers had been building a team for Kobe from the moment he was drafted he would have ended up with more than 2 rings as the alpha player on the team.