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juicystream is offline Old 05-06-2012, 10:28 PM
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The only reason Gose still looks good is because he is still in the minors and being rated as a high prospect as such. If Wallace had never made the majors, he would still be ranked in the minors top 50 too.

Gose stinks, just as Wallace does. Gose makes Villar look like Willie Mays.
Gose is 21 in AAA, plays a premium position, and has 5 tool potential. Gose his 16HR and stole 70 bases last year in AA. That's pretty damn good for a 20 year old.

Wallace is 25.

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You do know that the year of the trade, Oswalt was ridiculously dominate for the Phillies, right? They were trailing the Braves at the time, and ended up winning the division by 6 games.

I'd say the deal worked out for them.
Yes I do. I also remember that they did not win a championship. I also know that has we kept Oswalt our team was still not good enough to win a championship. The trade didn't matter. It didn't work out for either team. I for one hated the trade because I loved Roy Oswalt as a player but was happy to see him go somewhere to get a chance to win it all. He still has not. The Astros are now well into rebuilding. The trade is neither good or bad.

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i'm always unhapp-y when he pitches. part ways with him.

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Yes I do. I also remember that they did not win a championship. I also know that has we kept Oswalt our team was still not good enough to win a championship. The trade didn't matter. It didn't work out for either team. I for one hated the trade because I loved Roy Oswalt as a player but was happy to see him go somewhere to get a chance to win it all. He still has not. The Astros are now well into rebuilding. The trade is neither good or bad.
Does any trade where the team doesn't win a championship a failure?

Would you consider the Beltran trade a failure because we didn't win the WS?

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He's had 4 Quality starts. And the other, he allowed 4 runs in 5 innings.


This Cardinal game has been the only game where he looked clueless.

AND "this just in" The Cardinals can HIT! (I hate them)
 
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He's had 4 Quality starts. And the other, he allowed 4 runs in 5 innings.


This Cardinal game has been the only game where he looked clueless.

AND "this just in" The Cardinals can HIT! (I hate them)
3 of which were bare minimum quality starts. Well, the one he threw last week, he went 6 1/3. Happ has been decidedly mediocre to be honest. Gets a fair share of strikeouts and his command issues.
 
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Does any trade where the team doesn't win a championship a failure?

Would you consider the Beltran trade a failure because we didn't win the WS?
I wouldn't say it is a failure but I would say it isn't worth feeling like you are on the losing end of a trade when you haven't really lost much and the other team certainly didn't gain much. It would make more sense saying the trade looks bad if Roy O had gone to the Phillies and won 23 games, a Cy Young and the World Series and we have what we have. That didn't happen so the whole thing isn't even worth viewing in that light. That just my opinion of course and does not have to shared.

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That trade with Oswalt is not looking so good.
If there's one guy to blame for that, it's this guy.


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I think Wade will be looked back upon much better as time goes on. I wouldn't want him as a contender, but I think he made mostly good trades and when finally asked to rebuild, he did it quickly.

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3 of which were bare minimum quality starts. Well, the one he threw last week, he went 6 1/3. Happ has been decidedly mediocre to be honest. Gets a fair share of strikeouts and his command issues.
You do realize, he probably didn't choose to exit the game, he was pulled by the coach?
 
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If there's one guy to blame for that, it's this guy.

seriously? we got our 2 top prospects out of that trade.
 
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seriously? we got our 2 top prospects out of that trade.
yeah i don't get the problem. That's seriously the LAST trade you should take issue with out of the last few years

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You do realize, he probably didn't choose to exit the game, he was pulled by the coach?
He was over 100 pitches in all those starts except his first. That is a product of Happ being inefficient. Not to mention Happ probably allows more runs if allowed to stay in those games.

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Thinking about this more, and looking at the greater plan at work, I think you keep Happ and let him pitch until someone on the farm is ready to take the slot on an every day basis. Despite our better than expected record and performance thus far this year, we are not heading to the playoffs. We are instead, aligning ourselves to have the right set of players peak together at some future point (2-3 years?). What our record is, or Happs performance is this year is really meaningless.
 
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He was over 100 pitches in all those starts except his first. That is a product of Happ being inefficient. Not to mention Happ probably allows more runs if allowed to stay in those games.

I'll take 6 innings and 3 runs, ALL YEAR from him. You have to give him atleast 5 more starts to see if he can go back to 6/3.
 
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I'll take 6 innings and 3 runs, ALL YEAR from him. You have to give him atleast 5 more starts to see if he can go back to 6/3.
I would to, but that really isn't that valuable when you have 4-5 guys who are younger and capable of the same production knocking on the door.

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I would to, but that really isn't that valuable when you have 4-5 guys who are younger and capable of the same production knocking on the door.
Not doubting you. But tell me who?

Clemens (SP?) and Lyles are all I know about. (that were that close)
 
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Not doubting you. But tell me who?

Clemens (SP?) and Lyles are all I know about. (that were that close)
Clemens
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Keuchel
Rodriguez

Any of them could probably post an ERA around 5 like Happ has been doing. I'm not sweating it right now though. If we go into June, and his ERA is over 5, I'm at least considering moving him to the pen.

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Clemens
Lyles
Sosa
Keuchel
Rodriguez

Any of them could probably post an ERA around 5 like Happ has been doing. I'm not sweating it right now though. If we go into June, and his ERA is over 5, I'm at least considering moving him to the pen.

The Astros need a "On the Farm" Podcast or something...I haven't heard anything about Keuchel, and he's having a great year.
 

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