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TheRealist137 is offline Old 04-24-2012, 02:20 AM   #1
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I mean watching teams fight for their lives is really intense.

I think football is big enough in the USA to handle at least another professional league, we already have the UFL, I say expand the UFL to about 20 teams.

Here's my idea, shorten the NFL to 20 teams, 12 teams get downgraded to the UFL, basically there only needs to be 8 "new" expansion teams created, there are easily 8 cities that would love a pro football team.

LA
OKC
San Antonio
Las Vegas
Memphis
Austin
Toronto
Vancouver

That's 8 teams right there.

Each year, the top 3 teams from the UFL get promoted to the NFL, bottom three NFL teams get downgraded to UFL.

Here's how a draft order would be

1-17 = bottom UFL teams
18-20 = relegated 3 NFL teams
21-23 = promoted 3 UFL teams
24-40 = rest of the NFL by record

What do y'all think? This would be a lot more exciting imo. Think of how big football is in America, those UFL games will get sold out, college football games get sold out and get huge media coverage. UFL will easily get the same type of coverage.

Oh, and there will be 4 divisions in each league, consisting of 5 teams each.

The top 6 teams in each league get to the Playoffs (4 division champs, 2 wildcards).

For UFL purposes, once the final 4 has been reached, the two teams that advance play each other for the championship, but the 2 teams that lost have to play a single 3rd place game to determine who gets promoted, that might be more exciting than the first place game.
 
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I don't think this would work with the NFL. How do you explain to Bob McNair that his billion dollar toy has been demoted to the NFL Minors?


I could see this as an option with the NBA, though. Although the major issue with this type of team movement in any league would be an extremely small market team gets promoted and has no way of bringing in the money to maintain a major league payroll. I think a great deal of thought would need to go into the system and how it works and what teams/cities make up the minor league. I'm sure ABC/ESPN would hate to have to air playoff games of two extremely small markets.

I think this works well with soccer because it's always been this way (from studying the Argentinian soccer leagues). Interesting concept...but overall, I think it would be almost impossible to implement fairly and to be widely accepted by fans (no matter what American sports league we're talking about).

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I stopped reading this after "shorten the NFL to 20 teams". No owner, even cash-strapped ones like the Bucs, will want to give up or relegate their team.
 
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This would make sense in leagues without salary caps, namely Major League Baseball. Teams at the bottom like the Astros would have something to play for over a 162 game season. But even in baseball, we've seen teams go from last to first when their prospects begin to grow up and have breakout years. Either way, it definitely doesn't make sense in the NFL.
 
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Looks like the old to new USFL is trying to make some noise again

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On April 1, 2012, it was announced by several news sources that the USFL would make a comeback as a "true NFL minor league" [6] with a Spring schedule, rather than be a competitor to the NFL. Former Chargers COO Jim Steeg is assisting the effort as an adviser. While originally thought to be an April Fool's joke, the creation of a new website for the league, http://www.theusfl.net/, confirms that it is not a joke. Jamie Cuadra, owner of EndZone Sports Management bought the rights and logo of the USFL from Michael Dwyer, but not any of the rights to team names or logos/[7] However, they do not discount the possibility of old owners returning to the league. They chose to acquire the rights as opposed to creating a new league due to the USFL's "brand equity" and "brief colorful history".

The new USFL aims to begin play in the Spring of 2013, with eight teams. Players would be originally distributed among the teams via drafts, and be paid $3000 - $3500 per game, far more than their competitor, the Arena Football League pays. The NFL will have "unfettered access" to the players, allowing them to leave whenever they want.

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Some holes in promotion/relegation approach

- There already is so much PARITY in the NFL, which is generally seen as GOOD parity, that NO ONE in the NFL will want to relegate themselves. The Buffalo Bills went the ENTIRE 2000s without a playoff appearance. The Detroit Lions havent won a playoff game since Milli Vanilli and had all the reason to just give up, yet even they wouldnt have relegated.

- If US football was big enough for another pro league, why haven't any pro leagues since the old USFL in the 80's been viable leagues? (Arena league only kinda counts)

- The NFL IS a bit of a trust. The World League/NFL Europe lasted as long as it did BECAUSE it was partly funded by the NFL as a subsidiary. All other direct competitors and alternatives get CRUSHED.

(Now we see why Al Davis and Bud Adams and the old AFL bunch gets lauded as renegades. Because they directly challenged the NFL and SUCCEEDED.)

- It would have an effect on college football as well. Maybe some Maurice Clarret type guys would successfully file suits to go into a farm system rather than go to school.
 
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Too radical for today's NFL. They are making so much money and fan interest is so high that it would make no sense to even risk it.

Plus, in football you don't really "groom" prospects like you do in baseball or perhaps basketball. They either have the talent to step in and help within a year or two or they don't.
 
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Promotion/Relegation:
I think you would need to relegate (5-10?) teams to the lesser division to start the program so that the lesser division would already have fans on-board and the new teams added to the division would have more excitement, because it would be far more legitimate than some thrown-together league because of the known quantities.

I have no idea how drafts would work with these 2 leagues though.
 
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i don't think there are enough terrible teams in the nfl. most teams have a good chance to win each week.

the nba on the other hand...
 
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I think this idea will stop or put an end to teams tanking games to get a #1 pick in the draft. The #1 overall draft pick will belong to the team that gets promoted to the NFL.

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Too radical for today's NFL. They are making so much money and fan interest is so high that it would make no sense to even risk it.

Plus, in football you don't really "groom" prospects like you do in baseball or perhaps basketball. They either have the talent to step in and help within a year or two or they don't.
NFL careers are very short as well, even for contributors. Fred Bennett started several games for the Texans. 3 years later he's out the league. Always another prospect in the wings.

Can see that as competition being so tight that QUALITY players get snubbed from a real chance, so there's plently quality football left for another league.

Or with more relegated teams, would be a continuation of your favorite college players who can't hack it, but still following them in the dream of a pro career. Maybe Case Keenum can lead a relegated team but not a promoted teamd.

In a perfect world, I think its a bit of both of those and it COULD work if EVERYTHING aligned right. All the other non-NFL leagues would have to converge together. It'd be like graduated extended SEC football with legal pay.

In the REAL world, things like the CFL eating up leftover talent gets in the way, and neither CFL or NFL are gonna borrow or lend their teams for that kind of system.
 
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No current NFL owner would ever agree to this. They want to make money and what NFL fan would pay top dollar for perceived minor league play?
 
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Not a chance owners or fans allow a demotion.
 
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It'd be fun to watch, but wouldn't be good for business, so wouldn't happen.
 
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Franchises. Owners paid lots of money to be in the league. At least Bob McNair did.




I'd do this in College Football.

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I thought most NFL teams made a profit to begin with, except the Lions. These numbers were before last season. So, I'm sure there revenue has gone a bit. I hate the idea of a 20 team league in any league at this point. Why are they so many fewer teams.

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