Asian-American soldier was forced by comrades to crawl 100m on gravel

[rhadamanthus]

Originally Posted by Mathloom It is interesting (and I do mean interesting) how the average American doesn't seem to share responsibility for the consequences of war, even though they vote in the people who launch these wars.

It's not interesting, it's pathetic. And predictable. Greenwald on Endless War.

[dback816]

Originally Posted by justtxyank This story is so weird. I didn't realize people actually had hostility towards Asians still. I know people who are seriously racist against hispanics, blacks, even gays, but asians? I don't think I know anyone who would say anything more than "bad driver" about asians.

Goodness heavens, how naive...

Here's what Asian Americans need:

1. Catch an Asian dude getting beat up by the police on tape
2. Start a major riot over it
3. ???
4. Pray that the average white dudes like Mr. justtxyank here will finally realize "racism" doesn't just exist between whites and blacks

Then again the riot part will probably be hard since most of them actually have jobs or school.

[rocketsjudoka]

Originally Posted by YallMean Good, I hope this is true. I am more cynical than you. The wide-spread racism is endemic, not only in the Military, but the society at large. I agree w/ you in this case the unit commander let it go too far.

I am basing off of knowing and training many people in the military and the history of the US military. The US military was racially integrated in 1948 and while there was resistance it didn't stop the US from going to war just two years later.

While I have no doubt there are a lot of racists in the military there are countless examples of soldiers of all races willing to to give their lives to fight and protect their fellow soldiers no matter what the race. The fact that soldiers of all colors have been able to fight together effectively for 62 years shows that racism isn't endemic in the military. Further the military unlike the civilian world is one area where behavior can immediately and severely be enforced.

[rocketsjudoka]

Originally Posted by dback816 Then again the riot part will probably be hard since most of them actually have jobs or school.

As opposed to other minorities?

[Invisible Fan]

Originally Posted by dback816 Goodness heavens, how naive... Here's what Asian Americans need: 1. Catch an Asian dude getting beat up by the police on tape 2. Start a major riot over it 3. ??? 4. Pray that the average white dudes like Mr. justtxyank here will finally realize "racism" doesn't just exist between whites and blacks Then again the riot part will probably be hard since most of them actually have jobs or school.

Well if we riot, we better riot to win.

No second place.

[Mathloom]

Originally Posted by pouhe Mathloom, you do not understand the impact that suburban development, massive transportation infrastructure and near comprehensive K-12 and heavily subsidized higher education have had on this country. An American suburban town within commuting distance of a big city or a small American town with a healthy industrial and farming sector is one of the safest, most prosperous places on the planet.

My point was that Americans kill more Americans than non-Americans do, and it happens inside your borders. If the goal is to save x number of lives, there are plenty of lives which can be saved through healthcare, education, reforms, inside America.

But in reality it is about what you described above. An American suburban town within commuting distance of a big city or a small American town with a healthy industrial and farming sector is one of the safest, most prosperous places on the planet. Price tag: lots of lives in the Middle East + 30% of the world's oil very cheap and stable.

[AroundTheWorld]

Originally Posted by Mathloom My point was that Americans kill more Americans than non-Americans do, and it happens inside your borders. If the goal is to save x number of lives, there are plenty of lives which can be saved through healthcare, education, reforms, inside America. But in reality it is about what you described above. An American suburban town within commuting distance of a big city or a small American town with a healthy industrial and farming sector is one of the safest, most prosperous places on the planet. Price tag: lots of lives in the Middle East + 30% of the world's oil very cheap and stable.

Self-victimization and blaming the US for everything from someone from the Middle East. Sounds familiar.

[Mathloom]

Originally Posted by AroundTheWorld Self-victimization and blaming the US for everything from someone from the Middle East. Sounds familiar.

lol you proved my point genius. No sense of responsibility for what your politicians do either.

You support people like Wilders, Sarazin, etc. Although you elect the people who physically command wars which kill thousands of Middle Easterners, you share no sense of responsibility for the collateral damage. But in your case, I'm not suprised considering you political views.

But in general, I'm surprised that people with moderate political views for example don't feel they have any responsibility for Iraq being in ruins, violent, as sectarian as ever, etc. They chose it, they certainly have some responsibility.

What's a person from the Middle East supposed to think when an American with all the flaunted freedoms and education and whatnot votes in these people? These people who have established bases everywhere around us in case they want to take action? These people who are responsible for thousands of deaths, collateral damage or direct? These people who have publicly supported tyranny abroad in the face of protests from opressed populations?

If Middle Eastern PEOPLE and American PEOPLE don't talk these issues out, the extremists are going to keep playing sides. Just because I don't understand why Americans do something doesn't mean I hate them, doesn't mean I'm blaming them for everything, doesn't mean any of those things.

[AroundTheWorld]

Originally Posted by Mathloom lol you proved my point genius. No sense of responsibility for what your politicians do either. You support people like Wilders, Sarazin, etc. Although you elect the people who physically command wars which kill thousands of Middle Easterners, you share no sense of responsibility for the collateral damage. But in your case, I'm not suprised considering you political views. But in general, I'm surprised that people with moderate political views for example don't feel they have any responsibility for Iraq being in ruins, violent, as sectarian as ever, etc. They chose it, they certainly have some responsibility. What's a person from the Middle East supposed to think when an American with all the flaunted freedoms and education and whatnot votes in these people? These people who have established bases everywhere around us in case they want to take action? These people who are responsible for thousands of deaths, collateral damage or direct? These people who have publicly supported tyranny abroad in the face of protests from opressed populations? If Middle Eastern PEOPLE and American PEOPLE don't talk these issues out, the extremists are going to keep playing sides. Just because I don't understand why Americans do something doesn't mean I hate them, doesn't mean I'm blaming them for everything, doesn't mean any of those things.

Rinse and repeat. Blaming everyone from the outside for any perceived woes - again. Self-victimization and pointing fingers, rather than taking responsibility for all the crap that you caused yourself. Seems to be endemic in certain regions.

In a thread that has NOTHING to do with your repetitive, whiny little rant, no less.

[Mathloom]

Originally Posted by AroundTheWorld Rinse and repeat. Blaming everyone from the outside for any perceived woes - again. Self-victimization and pointing fingers, rather than taking responsibility for all the crap that you caused yourself. Seems to be endemic in certain regions. In a thread that has NOTHING to do with your repetitive, whiny little rant, no less.

Are you going to address the issue? Do you have anything of substance to say regarding the issue?

Are you denying that you vote for these people? That they choose to do these things? Or that there are tons of people dying as collateral damage to a war started by those people?

[AroundTheWorld]

Originally Posted by Mathloom Are you going to address the issue? Do you have anything of substance to say regarding the issue? Are you denying that you vote for these people? That they choose to do these things? Or that there are tons of people dying as collateral damage to a war started by those people?

What the hell does your paranoid whining have to do with a racist mobbing incident within the U.S. army? Just start thread no. 1231204125 for being a whiny bitch, instead of derailing yet another thread with it.

[Mathloom]

Originally Posted by AroundTheWorld What the hell does your paranoid whining have to do with a racist mobbing incident within the U.S. army? Just start thread no. 1231204125 for being a whiny bitch, instead of derailing yet another thread with it.

Why are you evading the issue again?

Do you have anything of substance to say about the issue?

If you don't understand how this topic came up or understand how it's linked, I agree that you don't.

On the other hand, you calling me a whiny bitch for derailing threads while focusing on one topic... WHO DOES THAT???

That's just classic ATW lol

You can put me on ignore, I won't whine about it. I would put you on ignore, but last time I did it I didn't really notice anything different, you still seemed to be saying absolutely nothing at all.

G'day

[Space Ghost]

Originally Posted by justtxyank Atheists? How do they get discriminated against? This story is so weird. I didn't realize people actually had hostility towards Asians still. I know people who are seriously racist against hispanics, blacks, even gays, but asians? I don't think I know anyone who would say anything more than "bad driver" about asians.

I know Im going to be a minority on this issue, but this is less about him being asian and more about him being the weakest link.

Im not condoning the behavior at all of the soldiers abusing him, but Chen wasn't exactly 100% innocent. If you're being bullied, provoking the bullies isn't the wisest move.

[quote]‘People crack jokes about Chinese people all the time. I'm running out of jokes to come back at them.’

A couple of other articles have alluded that he really should have never been out there in the first place. It doesn't matter if you're white, black, asian,female or gay, fellow soldiers want the best standing beside them.

This kind of hazing happens often, and its usually geared towards troublemakers and the weak.

The real tragedy is that officers never pull these type of people and send them home or reassign them.

[AroundTheWorld]

Originally Posted by Mathloom Why are you evading the issue again? Do you have anything of substance to say about the issue? If you don't understand how this topic came up or understand how it's linked, I agree that you don't. On the other hand, you calling me a whiny bitch for derailing threads while focusing on one topic... WHO DOES THAT??? That's just classic ATW lol You can put me on ignore, I won't whine about it. I would put you on ignore, but last time I did it I didn't really notice anything different, you still seemed to be saying absolutely nothing at all. G'day

[bloop]

Originally Posted by esteban I thought Fillipinos are Asians, am I late to the party?

Pacific Islanders? There are some Filipinos who are Asian, just like there are some Filipinos who are white. Those are migrant Chinese, Spanish, Americans etc who have mixed with the native population.

Originally Posted by rocketsjudoka I know Im going to be a minority on this issue, but this is less about him being asian and more about him being the weakest link.

Exactly, it's not like he was black or even gay. What part of ASIAN did you not understand.

Racism against Asians doesn't even exist, it's always something else.

For example when those black kids had a race riot on all those Viet kids in Philadelphia it wasn't because they were ASIAN it was... the language problem? Why do you think they were yelling "chink" at them during the riots? It was to help them learn English words.

Seriously as a white guy I already have to worry about being racist (meaning saying anything improper to blacks) Anti Semitic and homophobic. If I have to add another group to that list I just can't go on. I gotta have at least ONE group that I can rag on don't I?

Seriously I was living my life then I get on this thread and learn about the existence of racism against Asians now? WTF I just elected Obama and sent some tax dollars to Israel and promised to vote for gay marriage FFS people now what.

[bloop]

rocketsjudoka looking at it, I realize I misattributed a quote.

obviously that last bit is addressed to the awesome oxygen-to-CO2 conversion machine known as Space Ghost.

[Invisible Fan]

Space Ghost saw a different movie in Full Metal Jacket.

[DonnyMost]

Originally Posted by justtxyank Atheists? How do they get discriminated against?

https://www.google.com/#sclient=psy-...w=1920&bih=979