I dont really put much merit in the time to gel argument. Ariza, who would likely be the piece leaving, has yet to gel. Hill, the other likely piece, has made some strides but its not like he is a pivotal piece. The Sixers ran the same offense as us, so Iggy wouldnt have much of a learning curve to jump. I highly doubt Melo or CP3 get moved this year, unless they demand it....and no I don't think the roster changes again before opening day.
I know those studs will not be moved, but my point is, only this kind of trades are good made close to the deadline, because your expirings are gold, and you would bring a stud, upgrading your team like crazy Ariza has yet to gel??? Did you see him playing, after all-star break??? You have an all-star C, that doesn´t play with this team for 1 year, you compare the system in Hou and Philly, but you don´t mention the player quality, coach, roles, etc, and you think the gel factor is overrated??? Your team played at full speed for a year, know you have to integrate Yao, plus (imagining Iggy comes) bring a new player in, a player that played with scrubs all his life, and you say that gelling not that important to win a ring??? ok, your opinion, I do, and I think Morey, know it after the time it took Martin to know his knew role, and all the players around him PeAcE
So Collins is a known Battier fan plus Stefanski insists on D minded players, less salary plus a big. How about Battier (hate to see him go tho), Andersen, Taylor, Jeffries and a future pick. That's one big, 2 D studs, a young up and comer plus a pick (maybe Houston's 2011 first). Battier and Jeffries could a go a long way to establish the D mentality that Collins wants almost immediately. Throwing in Hayes instead of the pick/Taylor could be another option. May still not be enough but the above trade meets the needs of both teams. PG: Brooks, Lowry SG: Martin, Budinger SF: Iguodala, Ariza PF: Scola, Hayes, Patterson C: Yao, Miller, Hill Another player like DJ Stawberry could be a nice swing (between 1 and 2) as well as a defensive specialist. The above team is a shot blocking specialist away from perfection.
I think our roster is set at least until the season gets underway. If there is a major trade its gonna be after Morey gets a good look at our current roster/team playing togethers. I think our management/staff is confident in these guys after winning 42 games without Yao. Now with the acqusition of Miller, they probably feel like we are right behind the Lakers in the west. I guess time will tell. But i doubt we make any more changes until the trade deadline.
I see your points, but let me explain were I come from Closer to the trade deadline, the expirigs are pure gold, no matter what players and his production during the season, so Battier and Jeffries will gain value But guys like Hill will probably lose value, why??? Because our roster is so so deep, the minutes will be very limited, so Hill has no shot at doing, 10 5 off the bench regularly, because he has Brad Miller before him, and from what I understand the Rox staff wants to make him a full time 5, so the PF mins are unlikely to happen And our NYK draft pick and swap, are going to lower their value also, because the Knicks will be a low playoff seed in the eastern conference, and by trade deadline teams will see that, and give our picks less value, right now, people are still intrigued about the Knicks, can they play D, can Amare be as effective without Nash, and other questions, so our NYK picks are hight value I think that Morey is confident about our roster, but I also think that he knows that we are still missing one guy, to be right there with LA, and I also think that he knows that guys like Melo and CP3, will not be traded even closer to the trade deadline. So that is why guys like Granger or Iggy would be important, because those 2 are an upgrade over what we have, and I see Artest having a hard time getting his points, and stop them on the defense end of the floor, specially Iggy with his quickness attacking the rim And as I said, I have a hard time thinking that starting the season with so many players, is healthy. This is one of the reasons why our roster is so valuable, because our roster had limited rotation last year, the players that actually played, have the highest market value possible, because they had the mins to put up the numbers and efficiency. When you have 15 guys fighting for a spot, mins will be spread out, and the market value of the player will lower, even if we have a great record when the deadline comes closer That is my opinion, but I also think that trading before the season starts is very unlikely to happen, but, in my opinion, would bring benefits that trading very close to the trade deadline would not bring, for example gelling PeAcE
They just signed Tony Battie...dunno how this affects anything... http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/68271/20100721/sixers_sign_tony_battie/
As it stands right now, more than a few good players are going to be sitting on the bench. Yao - Miller Scola - Hayes? Ariza - Battier Martin - Budinger Brooks - Lowry I cant see us going more than 10 deep, does anyone else? Where do these guys go? Anderson Harris
If the 76ers think they're going to compete this year, they're not moving Iggy. Just slide him over to the 3, and spell him with Nocioni, or if you want a "shooter", Kapono. An interesting question if you're a Sixers fan is how they plan on time sharing Holiday and Williams. I doubt they're paying Williams 5 a year to sit on the bench, not to mention that---right now---Williams is a more efficient player than Holiday. Of course, if they thought they were going to compete, then why did they get rid of Dalembert? True, he was overpaid, but he could at least play D, unlike Speights or Hawes. Hey maybe Brand's going to play center and fully come back from the knee? Good luck... If they don't think they're going to be able to compete---and it looks like it may take the harsh reality of initially going 10 and 15 for them to realize that---then they're going to also dump one of their big multi-year deals with Iggy. Brand's out, unless you can make this trade a 3-teamer+ and Isiah isn't around anymore to take Bill Simmons's "worst contract in the NBA." As much as I like Lou Williams's value, even I agree the Rockets don't need him. Which leaves Nocioni. Nocioni doesn't become eligible to be traded until the middle of August. At that time, I expect Philly to add Nocioni to any proposed deal, especially since the Sixers will be getting back a serviceable 3 (Ariza or Battier) The salaries work in a Iggy + Nocioni for Ariza + Jeffries + Hill, but the Rockets would be taking on an additional 3.3M (6.6M with tax). (I'd like to save Battier's expiring deal for their next major move, which would be prying Paul out of a cratering New Orleans) So, I'd expect the Rockets to send back Harris and his non-guaranteed salary---which I think Philly could immediately waive---to lighten the hit. Expect to also throw in one of the Rockets's #1. In fact one sticking point may be Philly demanding the NYK #1 and Morey saying no. Posted this thought at Feigen's blog---he didn't think the 76ers were going to move Iggy, but didn't out and out say I was off-base. Really, I'd like the Rockets to try to get Gerald Wallace from Charlotte instead of Iggy, but I don't think he's going to be made available. In fact, isn't Charlotte a dark horse candidate for a Paul trade? Why else would you let Ray Felton walk? DJ Augustin?! (cue laughter)
Gray_Jay, You bring up some good points, especially since I am one of the suckers keeping this thread alive when someone should take it out behind the barn and shoot it. Gerald Wallace? I wish. Seems Charlotte would want to ADD to him, though (although you are correct when you mention that DJ Augustin just ain't gowanns to cut it as their PG). If the 76ers move Iggy, obviously the main idea is to dump some salary. It amazes me the 76ers passed on trading Brand and the #2 pick to the Rockets, just amazes me, but that's water under the bridge. Hopefully Morey will keep this avenue open and try to acquire Iguodala. Morey keeps talking about getting our team back to top-10 defense. Iguodala would provide that. Brooks and Martin must be the worst defensive backcourt in the league (excepting anything that Don Nelson can come up with).
Thanks for the compliments. Had no idea the Sixers wanted to dump Brand that badly. I actually think that Brand comes back strong this year. Still not to the level of his ridiculous deal, but enough to where I start thinking that pre RFA Scola became very dealable, if I could also get the #2 pick in the draft. Wasn't Brand's injury the sort where, like Al Jefferson's, it's supposed to take 2 years to fully recover from? Improvement or not, I just don't see him dominating at the 5---where he's going to have to play as long as they can't move Young, and they otherwise would have to have Hawes and Speights play major minutes. (Why is there so much love for Speights around the Net?) Anyway, it's not the Rockets problem. I'm not an "Insider" so I haven't read the specifics of ESPN's Paul-related rumors, but Paul to Charlotte makes a bit of sense, if you think New Orleans is going to blow it up. (Especially when this story from ESPN is at the top of their NBA section). Unlike almost every other rumored trade partner, Charlotte can take on Okafor's contract, as well as Posey's. To do this, they need to move Dampier's deal, which they can do after Sept. 13. The trade would go: Dampier (1/13, non-guaranteed), Mohammed (1/6.8), and Diaw (1/9) for Paul + Okafor + Posey. If Charlotte has any picks (don't know) send them to N.O. too. Salary works out to $28.9 to N.O. (of which they can slash however much of Dampier's) and 32.9 to Charlotte. So Charlotte gains 4.0M but the money works out and now they can run Paul/S. Jackson/G. Wallace/Ty Thomas/Okafor. Still not beating the Heat, but Charlotte is now in the running for top 4 in East. New Orleans get to dump massive amounts of salary, get rid of all of their big deals besides David West, and gets to rebuild with a core of Collison, Thornton, West, and whomever they draft with whatever picks Charlotte gives them. Plus, doesn't Paul have a house/family in the Charlotte area? However, if Paul b****es, moans and whines to get to go to NY expect Carmelo to be not too far behind. (Why else wouldn't he have signed that 3/65 extension by now, when the new CBA is going to make those deals a pipe dream?) Kind of why my heart isn't really set on Paul or Anthony, 'cause I don't think they're coming here. I think their mind's already made up that they're going to play somewhere other than Houston. You've got me why no significant free agent seems to want to come down here---is it that they might have to play defense? Agree with you on the defense from a Brooks/Martin backcourt. Yet another reason why, unlike much of the Board it seems, I don't have a problem with Brooks being moved in a major deal. And I agree with you that Iggy will improve this team defensively. I think he'd be a large upgrade over Ariza at both ends (Iggy's 3-pt percentage isn't that much worse than Ariza's and besides, that's why you have Martin, Buddinger, and until they trade him, Brooks.) Regardless of all that, the Rockets have 15! guys with guaranteed deals. Clearly some of them are going to be moved, either now or closer to the deadline.
Something else to mention: Charlotte dumped Okafor's salary on New Orleans a year ago. I'm sure they'd take back the burden of that money if Chris Paul were attached, but the point is, Larry Brown wasn't keen on Okafor a year ago (Okafor is the cerebral type, doesn't play BB as if his life depended on it), so I don't know if the Bobcats would want to rebuild the bridge they'd already burned down.
got another trade idea just want to see what you guys think... we get andre iguodala and jrue holiday we give ariza, brooks, andersen, and hill it works money-wise lineup would look like this: lowry/holiday martin/taylor/budinger iguodala/battier/budinger scola/patterson/hayes/miller yao/miller/hayes holiday has some size at 6'4'' and saw action in 73 games last year, he put okay numbers for the amount of time he was in. iguodala would be an upgrade at the 3. lowry would not be a slight drop off from brooks just because of brooks' ability to score, but i think we have enough scorers on this team. lowry would be an upgrade in the defensive category.
