Would you rather have morey trade for Kaman, p.Gasol, or stand pat...?

[BigMaloe]

i ask because thier is alot of trade rumors out there, and alot of trade ideas(alot that i contribute too)... but i ask in all seriousness, would you trade starters for pau? trade future talent for kaman? or stand pat and stay were we have been for the last few years, mediocrity?

i understand that thread haters could argue that this could be posted in random trade thread or one of the pau or kaman threads... but thats not what im asking... im trying to spark a debate on what move you would rather make...

one for pau(and IMO his overpayed contract,while on the decline)...

one for kaman(which wouldnt cost as much but wouldnt be as significant)...

or just stay the course and continue down our path of middleness...

me personnally i would make the minor move for kaman( considering it would add front court depth and an expiring contract...

[iconoclastic]

Yes.

Your question is meaningless without knowing what assets we would be giving up, and that would veer this thread off into Random Trade territory.

[BigMaloe]

Yes. Your question is meaningless without knowing what assets we would be giving up, and that would veer this thread off into Random Trade territory

not neccasarily... im asking what you would rather due... give up starters(which is what would be need for pau)...

Give up youth or expirings(which is needed for kaman)...

or due absolutely nothing...

very simple actually... and in all honesty i dont think you would even say it deserves to be in random trades if i didnt say anything about it...

truth is, im not asking for 'specific' trades or giving up details...simply asking which kind of move would you rather support...

again, for those slower than others... not any 'specific' move, but rather which type of move would you rather support...

[Fawkward]

I don't want Gasol. Old ugly and uglier contract. Ironically, I could manage Kaman's ugliness, but that's since he's an expiring. I'd only be willing to give up our 09 busts and Scola for Kaman. I want PPat to be a starter and Scola's contract is looking worse now more than ever since he's lost his edge.

[Spankie]

Kaman beasted against utah w000t

[DrNuegebauer]

Would give up 09 expirings for Kaman - PERHAPS a second round pick. But the deal would be to drop the total payroll of the Hornets and give them "talents" in Hill/ Williams to have marginal rights over.

Dragic/ Scola and a 2nd for Gasol - might throw in a non-rotation player (plus expiring for salary match).


Would rather stand pat apart from that - no sense going "all in" on Kaman or overpaying to get Gasol's huge contract.


This has all been done a million times though...

[IzakDavid13]

Kaman, only because Pau's contract is a death blow to our free agent bonanza at seasons end. If they were both expirings, I'd try and get both.

[Dreamin]

Would love to get rid of Scolas contract to take Kaman or Diaw. But both teams prefer younger talent.

[lr22]

Originally Posted by Dreamin Would love to get rid of Scolas contract to take Kaman or Diaw. But both teams prefer younger talent.

The Hornets would rather take roll players to be put around Gordon than unpromising prospects because Their top priority is to keep Gordon. They are desparate for some depth.
Imagine what their roster would be if '09 busts (unproven but have some potential except Hill and maybe Flynn) for Kaman deal be done and remember how bad they were without Kaman.

I don't think we can steal Kaman for our '09ers.
They were trying to add some quality to the team for Kaman's expiring contract, I guess.
So maybe Scola+Hil+Bud for Kaman is more likely to happen, still it is doubtful that Stern allows Demps to take Scola's contract though.

[rockets06]

I don't think Gasol would be a good fit and hate his contract. Would much rather go after Kaman to help us in the front-court while maintaining cap space in the summer. As long as we don't have to give up NY's 1st would be fine. I think a combination of Thabeet, Hill, and MIN 2nd would be ideal. If they want Scola, Budinger, Flynn, Williams then do it. Also reports was LAL was interested in Flynn maybe we could get their late 1st.

[The Cat]

Originally Posted by IzakDavid13 Kaman, only because Pau's contract is a death blow to our free agent bonanza at seasons end. If they were both expirings, I'd try and get both.

It's unbelievable how this myth keeps spreading. A Martin/Scola for Gasol swap gives the Rockets more room, not less, to spend on free agents.

[Red&BlackPudman]

Originally Posted by The Cat It's unbelievable how this myth keeps spreading. A Martin/Scola for Gasol swap gives the Rockets more room, not less, to spend on free agents.

Seriously! Can we establish this on every thread????!!!!!

[kjayp]

Originally Posted by The Cat It's unbelievable how this myth keeps spreading. A Martin/Scola for Gasol swap gives the Rockets more room, not less, to spend on free agents.

Yes, Gasols 1 contract is less than the contracts of both Scola and Martin - but then u need a SG... fair market value on CLee is gonna be about 6M next year....so Pau/Clee is gonna be approx 5M/yr more than Scola/KMart....

[cod]

Originally Posted by kjayp Yes, Gasols 1 contract is less than the contracts of both Scola and Martin - but then u need a SG... fair market value on CLee is gonna be about 6M next year....so Pau/Clee is gonna be approx 5M/yr more than Scola/KMart....

it's only around $2M less but then you have an imbalanced roster with all that talent and salary tied up at PF with pau, donuts, and patterson.

[kjayp]

Originally Posted by The Cat It's unbelievable how this myth keeps spreading. A Martin/Scola for Gasol swap gives the Rockets more room, not less, to spend on free agents.

Or to put it another way... Pau costs u 1.4M less than Scola/Martin... what SG are u gonna sign in the offseason for 1.4M?

apples to apples, dollar for dollar....
Gasol/1.4M SG vs Scola/Martin....

U guys act like Scola and martin have bad contracts. I'm bettin we could easily trade either to a contender for expirings and probably pocket a draft pick in the process.

Meanwhile, Gasol is a 31 yr old gettin paid 18.7M, with 2 more years on the contract... in 2 years Gasol is gonna be 33 and represent OVER A THIRD of our total cap - No Thank you!

Kaman for expirings - sure why not... and PPat - pass! Morris? ok Bud? sure. Parsons - idk... NY pick - pass!

[Joe Joe]

Originally Posted by kjayp Or to put it another way... Pau costs u 1.4M less than Scola/Martin... what SG are u gonna sign in the offseason for 1.4M? apples to apples, dollar for dollar.... Gasol/1.4M SG vs Scola/Martin.... U guys act like Scola and martin have bad contracts. I'm bettin we could easily trade either to a contender for expirings and probably pocket a draft pick in the process. Meanwhile, Gasol is a 31 yr old gettin paid 18.7M, with 2 more years on the contract... in 2 years Gasol is gonna be 33 and represent OVER A THIRD of our total cap - No Thank you! Kaman for expirings - sure why not... and PPat - pass! Morris? ok Bud? sure. Parsons - idk... NY pick - pass!

It is a 3 mil difference next year. Gasol and TWill> Scola/Martin. NBA cap is flexible...Gasol being 33% of cap is not a big deal for someone as good as Gasol. Now, Martin and Scola taking up 33% of cap. Scary.

[Corrosion]

I'd do the Kaman deal sending out only Thabeet , T.Will and Flynn.

That allows NO to shed a little more than $3.1m in salary which is their goal in trading Kaman , a salary dump.

It frees up a couple roster spots for the Rockets and gives them the option to make other moves to improve the roster. Scola , Martin , Hill , Parsons , Budinger and Dragic (as much as I dont like adding Dragic his UFA status means he couldand should be moved rather than lost for nothing) , all possible trade bait for a future move.

[TheFreak]

It's sad that people think the acquisitions of Kaman or Gasol would be in any way comparable. Kaman is 7 ft, 29 YO, and a team that has won only 5 games doesn't want him. If he came here he would compete with Jordan Hill and Patterson for bench minutes. Gasol would push this team to another level.

[Deckard]

Originally Posted by TheFreak It's sad that people think the acquisitions of Kaman or Gasol would be in any way comparable. Kaman is 7 ft, 29 YO, and a team that has won only 5 games doesn't want him. If he came here he would compete with Jordan Hill and Patterson for bench minutes. Gasol would push this team to another level.

Yeah, I have to agree. I also have a strong aversion to doing any kind of deal that involves Stern. And as The Cat and Joe Joe pointed out above, it would increase our cap room (depending on the deal, of course). If the choice is limited to Kaman or Gasol for essentially Scola/Martin, then I want Gasol.

[inishi]

Originally Posted by The Cat It's unbelievable how this myth keeps spreading. A Martin/Scola for Gasol swap gives the Rockets more room, not less, to spend on free agents.

Gonna have to give them more than martin/scola anyway.