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I love Lowry and I want him to be our point guard. I know this opinion will probably be in the minority.

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If we can attract Howard by giving up Lowry and other assets for Deron, I'd do it in a heartbeat.

The one concern: Would we end up like the NYK? With absolutely zero depth and overfatigued superstars...doesn't sound like a good recipe for success especially after the Tmac and Yao 'era'.
 
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If we can attract Howard by giving up Lowry and other assets for Deron, I'd do it in a heartbeat.
I was voting no....until i read this
 
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ONLY if getting williams will bring in Howard. Otherwise, we're giving away other players in order to strengthen and already strong pg position.

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ONLY if getting williams will bring in Howard. Otherwise, we're giving away other players in order to strengthen and already strong pg position.
This exactly. If we make this trade and don't get Howard, guess what? We're the Nets. Of course, that's what the majority of fans are clamoring for, so what do I know.

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Since Deron will cost you $16.3 million, and Dwight will cost you $19 million, on a salary cap of $58 million, that leaves you less than $23 million for 10 other players. That means besides moving Lowry, one of either KMart or Scola will have to be moved, too.
 
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Clutch,

I guess I am being greedy here, but...

Any chance the Rockets land Williams without giving up Lowry?

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Since Deron will cost you $16.3 million, and Dwight will cost you $19 million, on a salary cap of $58 million, that leaves you less than $23 million for 10 other players. That means besides moving Lowry, one of either KMart or Scola will have to be moved, too.
Pretty sure Lowry, Scola, and expiring contract would be moved in that deal for Deron.

That's a pretty nice trade for New Jersey.
 
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Please not again. The Rockets should not trade KLow for DWill, it would be one big error the Rockets will make if they do. There is no need for it since Howard will rather be in LA anyways once this short season is over he will bolt for the bright lights of LA. IF the Rockets are thinking that DWill would lure Howard here is one big gamble I don't want the team to take.
 
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Since Deron will cost you $16.3 million, and Dwight will cost you $19 million, on a salary cap of $58 million, that leaves you less than $23 million for 10 other players. That means besides moving Lowry, one of either KMart or Scola will have to be moved, too.
It states in the article that Luis could be going to NJ if they were to strike a deal with us.

Personally, I would HATE to lose Kyle while he's just hitting his stride and potentially becoming a true all star, but if it would mean gaining another all star PG AND an all star center in Dwight, how could you say no?

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I don't think we should get rid of Kyle Lowry. I think he's a great guard and we have him for an absolute bargain. Having the cap-space to sign a max player is important, but we should use it to sign a star at another position of greater need.

As of right now, the only person close to being an all-star on our team is Kyle, and he's only going to get better. We need to move Martin and Scola for younger players so we can rebuild. It's going to be years before we can contend for a championship, unless we can sign Dwight Howard this summer.

I think the key right now is to keep salary low for cap flexibility, and develop younger players to see what they can become. Even though we'll be worse in the short-term, it'll help us in the long term because we'll

A. Likely get a higher lottery pick
B. Have a better look at some of our younger guys, perhaps increasing their trade value

Perhaps we can swap some of our veteran players for high draft picks that will help us down the line.
 
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I've been saying this for awhile now and its very easy. Williams being traded east and lowry's improved play really sets up well in the only 2 scenerios I've mentioned. Either the rockets dump scola to ensure they have enough to host both howard and williams with the lure of playing together or they trade for williams and hope he talks howard into coming to houston. If possible, they should get williams 1st asap. The team will be .500 and he will play better than he has in jersey. He's close enough to home without the pressure of playing home. They could drop scola in the deal to open the playing time for patterson and or possible donuts next year. They can also drop one of the younger players like morris to help nj recoup some of what they gave up to get williams. In the offseason, the rockets will still have a good core of williams,martin,parson,patterson and the players they have left over. Lee,dragic,and possibly hill are good bench players. Also, dalemberts 1.5m 2nd yr option can bring something good back or he can be good depth. With a sieve like martin, they might even want to go big with dally and howard.

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The one concern: Would we end up like the NYK? With absolutely zero depth and overfatigued superstars...doesn't sound like a good recipe for success especially after the Tmac and Yao 'era'.
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Since Deron will cost you $16.3 million, and Dwight will cost you $19 million, on a salary cap of $58 million, that leaves you less than $23 million for 10 other players. That means besides moving Lowry, one of either KMart or Scola will have to be moved, too.
My two cents on this is that criticism of Daryl Morey's ability to land a top NBA superstar may or may not have some legitimacy, but his ability to find tremendous value at either a low trade cost or a low salary is pretty much unquestioned. I can't think of a better GM to have than Daryl if the superstars are in place. That last part is a big "if" of course.

I wouldn't worry at all about the team getting solid role players around a pair of stars.

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Clutch,

I guess I am being greedy here, but...

Any chance the Rockets land Williams without giving up Lowry?
Personally I don't see any chance of that happening. Who could the Rockets give up that would make it worthwhile for New Jersey? The Nets gave up two top lottery picks (Favors and Kanter), another potential lotto pick (GSW's pick this year, top-7 protected) and Devin Harris... they're going to want recoup their losses if they end up dealing Williams.

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I was voting no....until i read this
same!
i think the poll should include an answer like this
 
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If we can attract Howard by giving up Lowry and other assets for Deron, I'd do it in a heartbeat.

The one concern: Would we end up like the NYK? With absolutely zero depth and overfatigued superstars...doesn't sound like a good recipe for success especially after the Tmac and Yao 'era'.
if any of these moves went down, david stern would hate on it.
 
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If we can attract Howard by giving up Lowry and other assets for Deron, I'd do it in a heartbeat.
Great point, Howard or any other superstar is more likely to come with DW than KL (an emerging star, but nothing sure right now, not a well stablished superstar like DW)

The one concern: Would we end up like the NYK? With absolutely zero depth and overfatigued superstars...doesn't sound like a good recipe for success especially after the Tmac and Yao 'era'.[/QUOTE]
Actually there is too much 'Depth' imo, DM has been colecting too many assets IMO, more than a normal NBA team can use regularly. And playing lacking minutes tend to lose trade value.

So if we can trade 'good role players, probably star-level players'for a superstar, I'd say, go for it ASAP!!
 
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Keep Lowry.

We don't need to improve a position that is already a strength.
 
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I love Lowry and I want him to be our point guard. I know this opinion will probably be in the minority.
I'm not sure I'd even consider comparing the two. I mean, of course you don't just want to give a player away for nothing. But under the assumption, regardless of salary differences, they are at least comparable point guards right now, the real issue is Dwight Howard.

I've heard varying reports about the economic impact to Dwight Howard if he walks this summer. Clutch, or Bima, or anyone else, with the new CBA and sign and trade rules, etc., how much money would Dwight lose if he just walks from Orlando and signs with another team??

Despite the consistent threats, we have still yet to see any player walk from any meaningful amount of money just to get to a different/better team. Will Dwight be the first?

It's hard to imagine the Rockets have the assets to trade for both Dwight and Williams.
 

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