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Rockets get what they want from road trip, not from Christmas shopping

As Kevin Martin bolted through the Staples Center hallway, his carry-on trailing behind him and a four-day Christmas break in front, he clearly had no complaints with the Rockets having to sweat out the win.

"On the break," Martin called out as he raced to LAX and a redeye home.

The Rockets got what wanted from their California road trip. It wasn't pretty at times on Wednesday. On other occasions, the offense was beautiful, run as well as it had all season. They came perilously close to reprising the Chicago collapse. But they didn't go that far, hitting enough free throws and allowing only a guy who makes his living above the rim to shoot the 3s that Derrick Rose hit.

None of that really mattered as six Rockets players boarded the charter, the rest of the team and most of the coaches scattering for the holiday with no games or practices until they reconvene on Sunday.

For the first time since the last time the Rockets left LA, they are one game under .500. They play the Wizards at home on Monday for a chance to be back at break even as they head toward the most grueling portion of the schedule.

The Rockets will not be able to get away with the "lulls" as Kyle Lowry called them, next month. The Warriors and Clippers are 0-16 and 0-17 when trailing after three quarters. The Rockets could afford some missteps against them that won't work against the who's who of contenders lineup up from the last week of December through the first week of February.

But they also showed that at least offensively, they can play very well, moving the ball getting good shots regularly to always have a chance.

"We're playing better," Shane Battier said. "It took us a little while to find out who we were. We're playing with more confidence, and sometimes that goes a long way in this league."

They are now just one game off the pace of the Western Conference's top eight. Considering the schedule, they have a tough road ahead to make up even that one game. But they are playing at a level they could not last month.

They began December six games under .500. Win two of three next week, and the New Year really will be a fresh start. For now, that will do.


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There are a few things to keep in mind amid the Carmelo Anthony trade rumors.

The Rockets would dearly love to get involved. They would offer whatever they had to offer to turn the Nuggets' heads in their direction. They would even take their chances dealing for Anthony without a signed extension, gambling that they could win his confidence and/or he would eventually choose the much greater contract that would come from an extension compared to as a post-lockout free agent.

Nothing is going that way. For whatever reason, the Nuggets won't rise to the bait. They have put out mixed signals on if the Nets' Derrick Favors truly is the prize they want. That would make sense since they are insisting on top young prospects and he is the name that to many the Rockets could not match. For whatever reason, they have never shown interest in the Rockets roster.

There was even some talk that they just don't want the deals out there, but will keep talks alive to see if they can drive up the price. They seemed very close to a move on Tuesday, however, which would argue against the notion that they are posturing.

Either way, the Rockets seem to be stuck on the outside.

There also does not seem a direct line to a center, with the centers they would want making more than their trade exception, disabled player exception or expiring contracts, or making too little for their teams to feel a need to move them. More likely, the Rockets will have to use one of those exceptions to take on a lousy contract in a separate, but simultaneous deal for the player they really want.

Then again, things can change quickly. It's not too late to do some last-minute Christmas shopping. For now, no one seems willing to part with the gift the Rockets want.

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I was hoping T-Will could benefit from a couple extra practices...

Oh well, I guess we're talking about practice.
 
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I was hoping T-Will could benefit from a couple extra practices...

Oh well, I guess we're talking about practice.
They will have one on Sunday and then tuesday. That should help. Maybe by Next Friday he can get a few minutes.
 
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Competent starting centers aren't being moved around as freely as undersized combo guards? This is very big news!

Hmm. Denver was very close to a deal this week....Jeffries was very close to being dealt this week....looks like we were involving him in the Nets/Nugs 3-way.

Considering our TEs don't top $6.4M...I'm fine eating a contract of that size to bring back a center. Tougher to do so if we're shipping Shane + Jeffries+more to bring back a killer contract like Brand.

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Competent starting centers aren't being moved around as freely as undersized combo guards? This is very big news!

Hmm. Denver was very close to a deal this week....Jeffries was very close to being dealt this week....looks like we were involving him in the Nets/Nugs 3-way.

Considering our TEs don't top $6.4M...I'm fine eating a contract of that size to bring back a center. Tougher to do so if we're shipping Shane + Jeffries+more to bring back a killer contract like Brand.
Maybe a deal was about to go down, but Carmelo's personal tragedy (I believe his sister passed away?) cut it short.

Of course, any Jared J./Melo/2team/3team deal might have fallen through before Melo's sister passed.

Any deal for Melo will obviously have to wait until Melo returns and he communicates with his team that he's ready to play again or will, yes, go ahead and accept that trade to (whatever team).
 
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Competent starting centers aren't being moved around as freely as undersized combo guards? This is very big news!

Hmm. Denver was very close to a deal this week....Jeffries was very close to being dealt this week....looks like we were involving him in the Nets/Nugs 3-way.

Considering our TEs don't top $6.4M...I'm fine eating a contract of that size to bring back a center. Tougher to do so if we're shipping Shane + Jeffries+more to bring back a killer contract like Brand.

Link?
I saw Jeffries on the bench in a suit and figured such but is there a link to confirm?
 
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How about trade for Camby, with Brandon Roy being the "lousy contract"?

Hmmm ....
 
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How about trade for Camby, with Brandon Roy being the "lousy contract"?

Hmmm ....
No frickin way...

and isn't Camby like 35 years old now?
 
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How about trade for Camby, with Brandon Roy being the "lousy contract"?

Hmmm ....
Brandon Roy with his franchise killing big contract, and bum knees?Didn't we have 1 of those here before?
 
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Brandon Roy with his franchise killing big contract, and bum knees?Didn't we have 1 of those here before?
Its a lousy contract, isn't it?
 
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How about trade for Camby, with Brandon Roy being the "lousy contract"?

Hmmm ....
I think Camby would be a nice possibility, but I doubt the Blazers are quite yet prepared to "salary dump" Brandon Roy.

The problem with getting Camby, though, is that the Blazers are not at all desperate to cut salary (what, with all of Paul Allen's billions backing the team and all), so the Rockets would actually have to expend REAL assets to get something of value out of Portland. Expiring contracts and trade exceptions likely won't be enough.
 
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I think Camby would be a nice possibility, but I doubt the Blazers are quite yet prepared to "salary dump" Brandon Roy.

The problem with getting Camby, though, is that the Blazers are not at all desperate to cut salary (what, with all of Paul Allen's billions backing the team and all), so the Rockets would actually have to expend REAL assets to get something of value out of Portland. Expiring contracts and trade exceptions likely won't be enough.

I agree.

I'm thinking it might take something along the lines of AB/Patterson/Jeffries to get Camby. I'd hate to give up Patterson & AB, but it's my opinion that Camby would make that big of an impact on this team. I realize that he's turning 37 years old in March, but he's putting up 10.8 rpg, 1.7 bpg & 6.4 ppg while starting in all 27 games & playing 28.2 mpg. He's very athletic & would give us a nice platooning combo with Miller.

With players like Scola, Battier, Miller & Yao getting towards the end of their careers we don't have a lot of time left to make a serious run at the championship with these guys. So in my opinion, bringing in Camby would give us the best chance we have at winning a championship.

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Ryan Gomes(somewhat lousy contract), Deandre Jordan for Jared Jeffries, Ishmeal Smith and Rights to Swap Clipp's 2nd round pick...
 
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Ryan Gomes(somewhat lousy contract), Deandre Jordan for Jared Jeffries, Ishmeal Smith and Rights to Swap Clipp's 2nd round pick...

at least gomes is much better than jeffries. gomes is an average ball player, that does not do everythiong particuarly bad, but hes not good at any particualr thing either. he does have a midrange jumper, and an okay defender.
 
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Who would say no in this trade?

NY sends Turiaf and Randolph
Rockets send Jeffries

NY gets more cap room this summer and Houston gets a player they have coveted for a while.

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brian cook all over again.
 
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Other teams GMs don't overrate Rockets players like clutch fans here. AB/CBud's stock going way down.

Landry trade was a good one, sold high.
 
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How about Brooks, Jefferies, Bud for Nazr, Livingston and 1 first rounder?
We get a PG with size, ability to play multiple spots, and athleticism. Nazr is an expiring and a decent center on both sides. And a first rounder since we are giving more talent then getting. And our rotation mess would be cleared up! They would get a talented pg in brooks, another young prospect to play, and the versatile JJ.


Lowry/Livingston/Ish/Lee
Martin/Lee/Williams/Livingston
Battier/Williams/Livingston
Scola/Hill/Patterson
Nazr/Miller/Hayes/Hill
 
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How about Brooks, Jefferies, Bud for Nazr, Livingston and 1 first rounder?
We get a PG with size, ability to play multiple spots, and athleticism. Nazr is an expiring and a decent center on both sides. And a first rounder since we are giving more talent then getting. And our rotation mess would be cleared up! They would get a talented pg in brooks, another young prospect to play, and the versatile JJ.


Lowry/Livingston/Ish/Lee
Martin/Lee/Williams/Livingston
Battier/Williams/Livingston
Scola/Hill/Patterson
Nazr/Miller/Hayes/Hill

U SHOULD BE BANNED. FOR REAL brooks for nazr and livingston??
 

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