David Frum's a nut and an ass, but on the recent Republican scale, he's almost respectable... and I agree with much of what he says here.
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While that's all completely true, it makes me think that someone has hacked his account. Otherwise, they're going to be revoking his membership card very soon.
Good read. Thanks. It's 2012 where the GOP will really start suffering for what happened today. The longer they keep up the venomous rhetoric and stupid accusations, they more loony they will look when grandma's plug isn't pulled. The fact zero Republicans voted for something that could prove very popular in coming years might end up being a complete disaster for them. I can hardly wait for them to eventually complain it was "the process" that kept them out instead of their choice to be obstructionist.
years to come people will hate it and say it sucks like most other government programs (or home teams etc) It will be the cool thing to do. what he is saying is that small amount of satisfaction (?) is not worth the huge failure. I doubt negotiations would have made the bill any more conservative than the negotiations with dems did. Why go further than you have to.
I think most people like social security and medicare. They may not like the financial state of them right now, but they do like the programs. This will be similar. Once nobody is told they can't chose their doctor, or the govt. doesn't come in and tell them who they can and can't see, and there are no death panels, much of the opposition to the program will evaporate.
I see it the same way. Time is on the Dems side here. They might pay a big price in 2010, but life goes on. And if gains in 2010 cause Republicans to keep acting flaky and apocalyptic into the 2012 election cycle, it will not go well for them. I need a few days to think about it, but I also don't see how running on repealing healthcare reform will do much for the GOP this November.
By the time the November election rolls around, I expect they'll see the folly in arguing for the repeal of HCR.
I suspect by the time November rolls around there will be other issues that will be more absorbing of the news cycles.
As a republican who didn't like being told I would be breaking the law without obtaining healthcare I'm not all that bothered by the rest. I mean, from what I gather there SHOULD be cheaper ways of obtaining relatively solid healthcare in the next few years. My concern(whether founded or not) is how this will effect the medical industry from an employment standpoint. My wife is a nurse, so hopefully things don't change much with them. And this guy is right, Rush types don't want the country to flourish under any president. No turmoil, no ratings. It's like when someone asks if you are stupid, and you say yes. It just takes the pressure off. How much fun would this site be if the Rockets had won the last 5 titles?
BINGO! This is the biggest problem the Republicans face: the health care bogeyman is dead. It's a done deal. The American people will want to move on. I think you can safely say they've wanted to move on for the last 10 months. What is the next move for the Republicans? What will they obstruct next? How will they make themselves pertinent come November? By trying to hearkening back to a failed obstruction vote 8 months previous? AFTER people have had a chance to see that the bill didn't cause the end of civilization as we know it? No way. They need something major much closer to election time, or they may lose seats instead of gaining them.
You mean more conservative than what it was? Again, this was the GOP healthcare proposal of 1994. Seriously, I don't know why that keeps getting lost. Ah well. I say if it doesn't work out, we can blame Bob Dole and the Heritage folks! :grin:
