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A new kind of politics: Obama Sides With Bush in Spy Case

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  1. basso

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    via Gizmodo, Wired reports:

    [rquoter]The Obama administration fell in line with the Bush administration Thursday when it urged a federal judge to set aside a ruling in a closely watched spy case weighing whether a U.S. president may bypass Congress and establish a program of eavesdropping on Americans without warrants.

    In a filing in San Francisco federal court, President Barack Obama adopted the same position as his predecessor. With just hours left in office, President George W. Bush late Monday asked U.S. District Judge Vaughn Walker to stay enforcement of an important Jan. 5 ruling admitting key evidence into the case.

    Thursday's filing by the Obama administration marked the first time it officially lodged a court document in the lawsuit asking the courts to rule on the constitutionality of the Bush administration's warrantless-eavesdropping program. The former president approved the wiretaps in the aftermath of the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks.

    "The Government's position remains that this case should be stayed," the Obama administration wrote (.pdf) in a filing that for the first time made clear the new president was on board with the Bush administration's reasoning in this case.

    The government wants to appeal Walker's decision to the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco, a legal maneuver requiring Judge Walker's approval. A hearing in Walker's courtroom is set for Friday.
    The legal brouhaha concerns Walker's decision to admit as evidence a classified document allegedly showing that two American lawyers for a now-defunct Saudi charity were electronically eavesdropped on without warrants by the Bush administration in 2004.

    The lawyers — Wendell Belew and Asim Ghafoo — sued the Bush administration after the U.S. Treasury Department accidentally released the Top Secret memo to them. At one point, the courts had ordered the document, which has never been made public, returned and removed from the case.

    The document's admission to the case is central for the two former lawyers of the Al-Haramain Islamic Foundation charity to acquire legal standing so they may challenge the constitutionality of the warrantless-eavesdropping program Bush publicly acknowledged in 2005.

    The Friday hearing is needed, because disputes with pretrial decisions generally require the trial judge to permit an appeal.

    The Obama administration is also siding with the former administration in its legal defense of July legislation that immunizes the nation's telecommunications companies from lawsuits accusing them of complicitity in Bush's eavesdropping program, according to testimony last week by incoming Attorney General Eric Holder.

    That immunity legislation, which Obama voted for when he was a U.S. senator from Illinois, was included in a broader spy package that granted the government wide-ranging, warrantless eavesdropping powers on Americans' electronic communications.

    A decision on the constitutionality of the immunity legislation is pending before Judge Walker in a separate case brought by the Electronic Frontier Foundation.[/rquoter]

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    "I don't think he really means it."

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  2. Ottomaton

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    This is offensive to me, but he did vote for that crappy wiretap bill. I'm not sure why anybody would think he might not go this route. Here's a thought, basso. Maybe, despite all your rhetoric, we don't all think of him as the Obamessiah and can disagree with him? Hopefully Obama gets shut down here by the judge just like dubbya did before him.

    I do have more faith that Obama will not just slap a national security tag on it and do an end around of the legal system if the judge rules against him. That is more than a little refreshing. He plays well with others unlike dubbya's position of "give me what I want or I'll write up a signing statement that unilaterally declares unconstitutional any legal rights you have to prevent me from taking my ball home."
     
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    He was wrong on the wiretap vote when he was in congress, and he's wrong here.

    That being said, it's just silly to pretend like Obama hasn't already instituted a new kind of politics from the Bush administration.

    basso was wrong about it being a new kind of politics when it came to Obama and torture, Obama and Gitmo, Obama and ethics, Obama and transparency from the govt, Obama and rights for homosexuals.

    Look at that list of every "new type" of politics that basso has been trying to mock, and ended up being dead wrong each and every time.
     

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