In the coming days and weeks we will see Bush and gang who care more about international oil companies and other international corporations than the majority of the people in this or any other country use your patriotism against you. 1) As I said before I'm in favor or using force to get the perpetrators. 2) As I said before and repeated above I'm in favor of using force against the perpetrators. 3) Aside from the mission to bring the perpetrators to justice, which most Americans agree on, Bush and gang will try to accomplish their own domestic political and economic goals -- increase the profits of their oil and defense owning stock buddies, who will kick back to them in the next election cycle. Before this is over they may even put in an emir or two in Iraq to give us cheap oil. Bush and gang will promptly proclaim them democrats. 4) Their patriotism won't extend to rolling back the massive tax breaks they just gave themselves so we can finance the war. They prefer debt as they hold the bonds and it is another excuse to claim to be "compassionate conservatives" who just have to defund headstart, can't give our parents prescription durg benefits etc. because "we just don't have the money". They don't mind how much interest we have to pay them on their bonds or on our mortgages, which they hold. 5) They aren't greatly in favor of civil liberties and are already calling for restrictions beyond common sense agree upon changes in air traffice security. 6) Their sons and daughter aren't be going to get killed. Out of all of Congress only one son or daughter went to the Gulf War. I believe Ross Perot, who was against the Iraq war for oil, cited this fact. It will thus be very easy to have "mission creep" to use one of their phrases. since it ain't their kids. Some people on the board are already calling on us to occupy the whole Middle East and other parts of the world. It will just be the sons and daughters of the poor and middle class who are trying to earn college money or a life outside the ghetto or barrio. 7) The timetable of the operation and the lives of Americans will be sacrificed to fit the needs of the mid-term elections or even Bush's reelection campaign if it can possibly be done. (A history lesson: in the summer of 1972 Nixon realized to his horror the N. Vietnamese were going to agree to our conditions for peace. It would happen before the election and S. Vietnam might even fall before the election. This was viewed as bad for his reelection chances, so we backed off and 20,000 more Americans and hundreds of thousand more Asians died. ) Similarly Bush and gang desperately need to be seen flag waving when the midterm elections come. Bush sure can't win it on his command of economic policies or speaking ability. 8) They wont put into effect more just policies toward the Arab World that will help to prevent the next generation of terrorist from forming to replace the terrorist cells they will destroy. Given the Arabs a higher price for their oil or helping them develop might lower oil company profits. In conclusion, support a carefully crafted plan to get the perpetrators, but don't let old fashioned US patriotism be used against you to accomplish goals which are mainly in the interest of Bush and gang . Insist that the root socio-political causes of hatred toward Americans be addressed not just merely eliminating current terrorist cells. After all we're the ones giving our lives, not the politicians kids. It is our children not Bush and gang's who will give our lives if they eliminate Bin Laden , but just plant the seeds for the next generation of terrorists.
I can't believe that under the current circumstances you can say these things about our country's leader. You are entitled to your own point of view, but now is not the time this BS. Everything in your post is total speculation yet you present it as if this is what Bush intends to do. You sound just as fanatical as these crazies that attacked us. Hell, why not just say Bush planned these attacks? It wouldn't be that far off from what you are saying right now. I ask you to re-read you statements and reflect. I'm sure I'm not the only one disgusted.
Please, this is not the time to get into politics. This is a time to come together against a common enemy.
I sure hope glynch is an American male between the age of 18 and 25. If so, please make sure you've registered with selective service. It's your duty, and it's the law.
Wow glynch, Amazing that you can predict Bush's actions...I guess all of these YEARS that Bush has been in office really helped. It is a shame that some pearls of wisdom that you mention are lost due to your offensive comments like 'mid-term' elections.
There is no doubt that Bush is connected to the defense and petro lobby, but I do think it is inappropriate to suggest he'll use this act of terrorism to further the goals of that lobby. I seriously doubt that is what he's thinking of now.
This is not the time to start a political debate , Please Show some respect for the people who died .
Why is it a bad time to ask why the politicians' sons and daughters won't pay a price for this? It is an excellent time to revelauate US foreign policy and how to really irradicate terrorism not just a few current cells.. It is an excellent time to be on guard for those who will try to gain politically and economically from these events. It is an excellent time to be vigilant that we not get involved in a lengthy ground war in Afghanistan and the Middle East. Once the war starts and Americans troops are being killed, will you all then agree it is finally a good time for these evluations? I doubt it. Please try to respond with arguments rather than a crude attempt to shame me into silence. Been there, done that with the Vietnam War. It won't work.
1) What does it matter? There will plenty of those who are more than willing to fight for and represent this country. So what is your point on this? 2) Have you been listening? The government has been saying over and over that we are waging a long and lasting war on ALL terrorism. No one has even hinted that this will be like in the past. This was the wake up call. I suppose you have a solution in mind? 3) Those who attempt to gain politically from this crisis will not be looked upon favorably by Americans. Those who attempt will surely be voted out the first chance that Americans have to do so. 4) We are not waging war on Afghanistan or the Middle East. Where have you been? We are waging war on terrorism and those who support and aide them. If these countries choose to side with terrorism then they will indeed suffer, not just by our miltary but every major country's military. Keep in mind, this is not just about us. It's about the beliefs and way of life of every free country in this world. 5) Everyone is aware of the consequences. Most would rather die fighting than die hiding and ignoring the terrorists. Are you the type that is willing to get your ass beat every day in hopes that maybe one day the bully will come to his senses and stop? Sometimes you have to defend yourself.
That is a question that is very valid. A question that for some reason seems to be dodged by our politicians. We should always be on guard. But just because Bush is linked to the Energy corporations, I don't think it's wise to assume that he will use this tragic event for his own gain. Give the man a chance to pave his own road. You seem to have already judged him as being guilty of the deeds you've described. Isn't it a little early for judgement? Actually, it's an excellent time to ask yourself - Do you support a decisive action against nations who support and condone terrorism? I for one do support that action. We cannot sit back and 'sanction' these guys to submission. It doesn't work. This is an enemy who will openly strike against civilian populations around the world. I'm not talking about going to war with all Islam and Muslim nations. I'm talking about rooting out the people who's intent is to harm the innocent for their radical beliefs. Hopefully, each Nation will seek out terrorist groups that reside in their country and rid the problem themselves. But if they refuse, then I'm all for doing it ourselves. This may involve a lengthy ground war. It might be as easy as each nation doing their part to rid this evil. But once we commit, we have to see it through.
I think the reasoning for politician children not being forced into the draft is so that it won't affect their decision making when they have to make that tough decision to declare war or deploy troops. Of course, many volunteer anyway.
Glynch is obviously living in a hole somewhere. Apparently he's been hiding since Vietnam. Here are some quotes from Glynch in the thread For those of you NOT hellbent on war (see page 5) Stay in your hole, Glynch.
