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Bonzi Wells vs Mike James

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by mtran6, Sep 28, 2006.

  1. mtran6

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    Just want to get an idea of how you guys feel about us signing Bonzi compare to if we were to sign MJ. I personally like Bonzi over MJ anyday. Given the fact that he do more than just score and defend. One of our biggest obstacles was having a guy that can crash the board with explosiveness and Bonzi can do that. Anyway, again, I'm glad we got Bonzi and I smell a championship team. In the words of Gene Peterson, "HOW SWEET IT IS!" GO ROCKETS!!!!
     
  2. superden

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    Bonzi > MJ

    He has the size and rebounds. Also it is hard to forget how he lit it up during playoffs time :D
     
  3. WhoMikeJames

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    Lets just see what MJ does this year.
     
  4. ericdwj

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    Mike James is rolling over in his grave (ala Barkley)...lol



    Mike James...........WHO
     
  5. LFE171

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    dude...

    bonzi wells >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mike james

    both have issues sorta. bonzi with his past, mike james wanting to shine in the limelight but...

    he's younger, has size, told his agent he wouldnt mind coming off the bench? AND HES CHEAP! wow :D

    I mean honestly...when we were chasing james, we all assumed bonzi was staying with sacto. If the possibility was there at the same time, bonzi or james, we woulda definetly jumped on the bonzi crusade.
     
  6. krnxsnoopy

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    Bonzi is AWESOME for us.. We needed that 3rd offensive weapon and Bonzi is perfectly capable of providing 15 pts a game :].. He is more suited as the 3rd option than a 1st or 2nd.. I see him as a 'Jerry Stackhouse' of our team who will take over the game every once in a while when you least expect it.. I'd take Bonzi of Mike James anyday just because BIG > small

    plus mike james has some personal issues with the rockets he still needs to overcome, and he would have brought those with him if he came here.. good thing he didnt :D
     
  7. rocketlaunch

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    bonzi all day especially for the contract he signed for.
     
  8. chuichuitrain

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    Really good question.

    I was pretty bummed when MJ fled to Minny, but even then I was wondering how it would work out if he had come here. I'm pretty sure JVG is convinced that he is not a starting PG, so would we have started him at the 2? or tried to coax him into being our 6th man again?

    Either way, there was still a gaping hole at the 2. I mean, sure, MJ can play some pretty sticky D, but I'm pretty sure we all remember how 6'0 David Wesley was torched by 6'5 Stackhouse a couple years ago. Mike James would not stand a chance against lengthier SG's.

    In comes Bonzi. He is long enough (6'5") and versatile enough to play the 2, 3, or even 4 if we are going with a smaller lineup. I think the thing that he brings most to the team is his knack for rebounding. I'll take his rebounding over JHO's any day of the week. I think he'll be 2nd on the team in rebounding behind Yao.

    So, to wrap up, bonzi > mikejamesbiatch
     
  9. CriscoKidd

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    talent wise, yeah, Bonzi > MJ.

    But I do like that MJ is a good perimeter scorer. And I'm definitely more leary of Bonzi's character issues.
     
  10. ClutchCityReturns

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    Bonzi has the size and he isn't a tweener. Bonzi has the attitude (although toned down compared to Mike, which is a good thing). Bonzi exploded last time he was in the playoffs. Mike James wilted.

    The only thing I give Mike James is three point shooting. He gets more assists but that should be expected from a PG.

    Bonzi cost us 5 mil over 2 years.

    Mike would have cost us 5 mil per year for 4 years, right?


    I don't think it's even close.
     
  11. CDogg

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    Bonzi will own Mike, hes bigger, better rebounder, Mike shoots threes better but i'd take Bonzi over Mj everyday
     
  12. JoeBarelyCares

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    It's actually Bonzi + VSpan + JLIII is > MJ, because we split the MLE three ways instead of giving it all to MJ.
     
  13. LFE171

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    you my friend are very correct. let me redit my position on this:

    bonzi+KB+JL3 >>>>>>>> mike james + no freakin trade clause
     
  14. CMHouston

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    I totally agree with this. We made out so much better now without having MJ here. We all know what Bonzi can do, now we just have to watch and see VSpan light it up. I didn't want MJ here in the first place so I am very excited about the news today.
     
  15. GATER

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    Since Bonzi can't play PG and doesn't have anywhere near the range of Mike James, I've got an entirely different perspective. We'd have been much further ahead to have used the TE with a SnT for one and a full MLE for the other. Thus putting Alston on the bench or used for trade bait.

    You guys that have pencilled in Wells as vastly superior have not accounted for Alston walking the ball up (negating Wells' transition game) or Van Gundy not allowing Wells to post up. And you've totally overlooked that fact that Wells' deal is for 1 year. How much better will Wells be if he's playing for another team next year?
     
  16. chuichuitrain

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    1. Alston pushes the ball.
    2. No one knows how JVG is going to use Wells yet.
    3. His $2 million contract is the main reason why he was such a good deal. You are talking about us using a full MLE on him when he already rejected Sac's offer which was more than the MLE. And he would not agree to a SnT for more than one year with what we had to offer (TE and draft pick) because that is more or less the same salary as MLE.
     
  17. Hippieloser

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    I really wanted James back and was pretty bummed when it didn't happen. I've never been a huge fan of Wells, and honestly I'm a bit concerned over his lack of outside shooting. However, he does address our need for a stronger, taller perimeter defender as well as rebounding. He's also good on the break and can create his own shot, things that James would have contributed.

    Overall, Wells is a proven NBA starter who makes us deep at the 2. Luther Head and Kirk Snyder are fairly good three-point shooters, so they'll be able to be used in situations when the opposition is daring us to shoot from outside.

    Also, Well's rebounding and post game will give us more options to play with when experimenting with lineups. We're going to be able to go very small this season without giving up the post or rebounding. I could even envision stretches of a couple of games where T-Mac is actually playing center surrounded by Wells, Battier, Hayes and either Head or Alston.

    The Rockets have a very structured locker room, so I'm not of the opinion that Wells will cause problems, nor would James have.

    Wells is probably a more complete and versatile player than Mike James, although with far less outside shooting and ability to create. Time will tell whether or not we'll miss that aspect of the perimeter game or not, but we're so lucky to have landed Bonzi in the first place that there's no sense in wishing he was somebody else.
     
  18. LFE171

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    Yeah the shooting is of concern, but his strength if we played half court is his post up, which causes the mismatch. then you got battier who can space, so bonzi won't be clogging up the lane much. his style of play, being a decent rebounder and in your face defender fits very well in our starting line up.

    shooting wise, he'll be able to take mid range jumpers and do that little backdoor play he loves so much, especially using yao on the screen down low.

    transition problems? man we didnt see rafer push the ball up much cause we sucked at running back. tmac being hurt, and all the rest of our backcourt just being old and run down didnt help it. now tmac's back, and we got bonzi running down there, trust me. you WILL see rafer pushing it up alot more.
     
  19. GATER

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    Puh-leeez...Alston does NOT push tempo and I've got a whole season of DVD's to support that. And a burned-in memory of Swift getting post position as Alston dribbles laterally from one side of the offense to the other.

    No one knows how VG will use Bonzi. But how about naming the last VG perimeter Rocket to post up whose initials weren't TM?

    I'm clueless as to what was your point #3. If there was one. Had the Heat wanted to go over the LTax, Wells would have easily taken their MLE. The SnT had raises of 10.5% compared to 8% for an MLE. The difference for 3 years between a $4.3M TE deal and an MLE deal is less $2M total.
     
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  20. okierock

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    I think the biggest reason Bonzi > Mike James is that he can pick up the slack for TMac if he gets hurt for any period and we can still win games. There is no way that MJ would be able to carry that load.

    Basically with Bonzi here, TMac or Yao for that matter being injured does not mean we are out of the playoffs, out of title contention but not out of the playoffs.
     

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