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What if They Tried a Guantanamo Detainee in Manhattan and Nobody Noticed?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by SamFisher, Jan 26, 2011.

  1. SamFisher

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    I don't understand why some conservatives have so little faith in the American Justice System.
     
  3. SamFisher

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    What if they started a thread about trying detainees in the US and all the morons who said it was impossible to do something like that were too afraid/ignorant/etc to respond?
     
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    Lot of people over at DoJ says this test case is another setback for Obama's admin since only one of 284 counts was a conviction means the use of civilian courts rather than military commissions is probably coming to an end.

    This is one more example of Obama's gradual alignment of foreign policy with the Bush admin during the War on Terror. He just can't afford any more hits to his political capital, and these neoconservative policies partly assuage the 'Team America World Police' voters.

    People also underestimate the influence of the intelligence community and security services within the M-I complex that support everything Guantánamo stands for, and the wealthy party donors that uphold their ideology of an America that can execute unipolar Cold War policies (extraordinary rendition, indefinite detention without charge or trial, etc.) without having the political clout or the robust economic strength of the 1945 to 1975 era. To be a neocon nation, you need lots of money and allies. With the way things are going, we won't have to worry about this as much in the next decade.

    Also, the silence from so many Democrats that opposed these measures in the Bush era tells anyone they're as guilty of playing politics as the Republicans they blame for opposing Obama for the sake of opposing.

    Some might say I'm fomenting division and buying into the GOP strategy of saying Obama=Bush to fragment Obama's voters, but this is beyond politics. The truth is the truth.

    "The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which."
     
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    284 life terms = 1 life term = same same. You could actually argue that the opposite is true, even with all the evidence tossed out, the result is still the same, showing how easy it is to win these cases. I don't know what the government's conviction rate with terrorism prosecuttions is, but I imagine its amoong the absolute highest of any crime they prosecute.

    Actually what I'm more concerned about is exposing the fallacy of the security argument that lower manhattan is physically incapable of handling these trials and detentions without massive disruption and certain terrorist reprisals, made by many including the Mayor, though mostly by people who have never set foot in Foley Square or 500 Pearl.

    That argument is patently ridiculous insofar as it has literally hosted 100's of such trials in the past, and the fact that they pass almost unnoticed by the general population exposes these arguments for what they are: a sideshow too either sow fear for political gain (nothing like terrorizing people in order to fight terror!), or in the Mayor's case, financial assistance from the feds.
     
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    Cleverly disguised thread for Sam to show people how much he knows about lower Manhattan (hey! I know where 500 Pearl is!) and trials held there from his legal background.
     
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    telling that you cannot refudiate the OP
     
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    Don't misunderestimate my ability to refudiate, Portmanbro
     
  9. SamFisher

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    It's not disguised- I will put my knowledge of street level geography of various locales up against anybodys. Not just of New York either - my sense of geography and internal landmarking borders on aboriginal.
     
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    F^(K YEAH!

    Anyway you are right that what is determining this is political and that few Congressional Democrats are willing to make a big issue about the use of military tribunals. From what I recall didn't Congress pass legislation preventing Obama from closing Gitmo?

    I think Sam's point though stands that we are perfectly capable of trying terrorism suspects in US civilian courts.
     

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