Pros- I think Billy can be a starter in this league. Especially because of the way the game is evolving with the Phoenix's of the world. He's a guy with the raw talent that makes you think he can change the game tempo in an instant. His passing ability is solid and has adequate speed. He also seems to be able to create his own shot as he slashes to the basket ala Bonzi Wells. – Though he can get deep into defenses and penetrate. He also plays the passing lanes pretty well so in that sense he is smart. Fortunately, we're doing well without him. JVG is not going to try to repair a rotation that is simply working. To the misfortune of Billy he's really the odd man out. Cons- I can certainly understand why he plays out of control a lot. I've seen him get into the air with no where to go several times. His decision making is also questionable though I figured it would improve as he played with his team more. His shot is sub-par which doesn't really help us at all right now. We've already got one player in Hayes that teams just seem to rotate off of cause they know he couldn't hit anything outside of five-feet. Considering people already are prepared to ship Alston out on the first available train I don't understand why some think Billy is an upgrade. His creativity is the only thing that rivals what Alston does. I highly doubt Billy's turnover to assist would be better, unfortunately. I doubt his decision making, at this point, in the fourth would be marginally better. I’m thinking worse here. Hell, I don't even think he can defend as well as RA at this time. I've seen him try to guard a few players but he has to draw fouls on most occasions just to stay in front. Simply, at this point he needs to just be patient and work on his shooting and cohesiveness within the offense. He’s a one guard injury away from getting big minutes and I have no doubt Gundy would plug him in then. Jeff knows what he can bring to the team. He also knows what he can do to help us win at this time. – Which is little. He’s going to need another year to really mature and be a major component to this team. He just needs to be disciplined and I think JVG is the right guy to get him on track. That said he won’t be traded because we’ve given rookies a good two years to really show what they can bring, if anything. He’s not Steve Nash but if he works hard enough and develops right I think his ceiling could be akin to a TJ Ford. Definitely starter material, but will never be an all-star.
Fair enough.....I just get tired of people saying..."Hey our record is good, lay off JVG he is doing a great job." Because I think he is doing an OK but very flawed job. I never wanted JVG, nor Larry Brown, in truth I wanted Mike Dunleavy....but we got JVG......now that Rick Adleman is free, he would be a great choice IMHO...I would even consider PJ Carlisimo as he can bring the Spurs offense which has more wrinkles than the Rockets. DD
You're a douche. Actually, YOUR ego is way larger than your knowledge (if any) of basketball. Aren't you the same guy that criticized JVG for not using a zone against Phoenix? LMAO. If I'm not mistaken, you also criticized T-Mac for being unselfish enough to defer to Yao. For some reason, you think your opinion is so valuable that you must litter your V-Span supporting, JVG hating posts all over the forum. The sad thing is people see that you've been a longtime member and have 25,000+ posts, so people assume that you actually have basketball knowledge, when in reality, you really say what you want without using any logic. Too bad Clutch can't say goodbye to you. You say you will gladly eat crow if we win a championship under JVG, but something tells me you won't. You'll just continue to use your nonsense trollish negativity. And V-Span, stop your b****ing. You want to go home? Fine. You say you can create but can't shoot. True that. Not to mention that you also create a crap load of unforced turnovers. Alston and JL III can both create and are better shooters than you. Bonzi and Snyder returning will also help us at the guard position. We can acquire Franchise this year and/or draft another guard next year if necessary. We don't need you. I understand you feeling betrayed if we really promised you playing time, but right now your playing time is in practice. This has nothing to do with ego. JVG thinks he has a better chance of winning with Alston, Head, and JL III than with you. I still think your potential could be Ginobili-esque, but you are still nowhere close to that. Keep your head up and keep practicing your jump shot. If you do go back to Greece, please take DD with you.
Wow - how classy of you, really grown up too. You are so obsessed with me it is frightening.......if you don't like my opinions, ignore em.....I really don't care what you think, unless you want to engage in actual discourse instead of name calling, and laughing about basketball opinions you disagree with....but no, not you, your all class, you want to come out and just bludgeon someone.....whatever dude.....I know what I am talking about and I also know it is my opinion...nothing more. I do like V-span and he has shown a lot of promise, so much so that I think he is a future major component to a Yao Ming team.....and I would like to see him develop...as I think we will not get there with Rafer Alston....so IMHO, V-Span needs time to develop. He has not shown a propensity to turn the ball over...he averages about 1 a game...ONE......and he has the same assist to turnover ratio (approximatley) as Luther Head....so what was your point again? As for being taken seriously, you will NEVER be more than a joke of a poster if you don't learn how to engage people without being rude. Now go away kid ! DD
what has he shown? Nothing so far. Preseason- 20 minutes per game and 3.7 turnovers per game. Whenever he does get in now he looks lost. He hasn't shown anything.
You know what is funny about that? PG's in particular need to play with the better players to look good. There is a big difference in passing the ball to a wide open Tmac and a wide open scrub.... One gets you an assist while the other is probably a miss. Let V-Span play with our better players and I believe he will not only do ok..but excel. DD
Well if the ball gets stolen or thrown to the other team does it matter? Wide open Tmac is better then a wide open scrub. That is obvious. But V-Span has shown he can't shoot, can't drive or finish, and can not create plays to get anyone open, so it doesn't really matter. If he could create plays then he would be hurting from having Lucas catch it instead of Mac but if he can't create it doesn't matter who he's looking to.
Luis Flores was a scoring machine, we shoulda kept him. Oh yeah and im 100% sure if van gundy decided who we were gonna draft this summer, he would have picked milsap.
honest question--not trying to refute ur points, but how do you think Dunleavy is doing this year? I really think Clippers were helped more by a veteran ( but still productive-can't say the same about him this year) Sam Cassell. I personally think he has way more flaws than JVG this season. That team is the definition of underperforming this year.
how? ginobli can shoot. v-span can't. ginobli is a great athlete. v-span is not. ginobli has incredible body control and moves. v-span doesn't.
Euroleague Averages Of V-Span, Manu, And Parker 23 year old V-Span- 14.6 points per game, 3.1 assists 18 year old Tony Parker- 14.7 points per game, 5.6 assists 20 year old Ginobili- 24.9 points per game, 2.3 assists
the age is actually a really good point when it comes to why many people will be very disappointed with spanoulis' nba career. occassional all star? come on. i think a lot of you guys have listened too much to clyde drexler. he said rafer would make the all star game this year, too.
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Ginobili is out of control when he drives to the basket and reckless with passes and the ball, but he gets it done. Ginobili can shoot better, but how is vspan not as athletic?
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