Nash is better then S Fancy, or Cutturnover Mobley

Aren't you a bit harsh? Francis and Mobley are still great players...and perhaps they can mature and play the game as smart as Nash?

 

Plus, they don't have Nowitzki to pass the ball to....

 

Take Nash away from the Mavs, and they are still a good team. Take Francis away from the Rockets, and they are 1-18. Life is quite easy for Nash with Nowitski and usually Finley on the team.

With that said, let me say that Francis's defense was beyond pathetic in the last minute. He left at least five feet of room for Nash to shoot. Simply horrible.

 

Agreed Nash is a better PURE point guard, probably second only to Kidd in that regard, although Miller is up there. And he is a better player than Cuttino, period. However, I'll take Stevie and his upside over Nash and his smarts, for this team, 7 days a week. Not saying that Nash can't carry a team, he can ( anyone who's watched him in Olympic play knows that), but Stevie has a higher upside as a franchise player ( pun unavoidable) than Nash does...

 

Nash just plays for a better team (and in a better offensive philosophy). Stevie's point guard skills would look a lot more "pure" is he played for the Mavs. Hell, if Nash was the Rocket's point instead of Steve, you guys would busy wishing the Rockets had a point guard as explosive as Francis instead of Nash. Just be hope the Rockets can lock Francis up, add the right player(s) to the roster this off season and continue to grow as a team.

 

Ok Francis's defense was beyond pathetic all game. No no scratch that. All season. And that goes for the rest of our guards (Cat and Mooch). These three guys have no clue how to play defense. Watch the games - THEY DON'T PUT A ****ING ARM UP!!! THEY STAND THERE AND JUST STARE AT THEIR ****ING MAN!!!!!!!!!! LITERALLY!!! This reeeeeeeaaally irritates me. I hear all this talk about our backcourt possibly being the best in the league. Yes they are - on the offensive end of the court. They only play on one side of the court. I was going to start a thread about this, but I figure that all of us here are pretty much all ranted-out for the season. Until next season.........

I'd say this one is over.

 

Before we go dismissing our players and mentally trading them away, keep in mind Nash only started playing well in this league as early as last year. If you'll remember, the Mavs traded for Eisley before last year and he was supposed to contend for the starting PG spot, only Nash beat him out to solidify his place on that team. Granted, injuries were a big part of Nash's problem, but even when he was healthy in his younger days, he was not a player. I remember Stevie being described as a "siev" (sp) on defense a year or two ago. Well, they said the exact same thing about Nash his first few years in the league.

Let's give our guys some time. Steve did not look good tonight, and he does turn the ball over too much, among other complaints, but what I want to know is what happened to all those posts a year ago about how we were watching something "special" in Stevie? I think we take him for granted, now, even after we see what the Rockets are like without him. While I think you could entertain the argument of who the better point guard is right now (tho I still would rather have Steve), I think it is sheer nonsense to suggest you'd rather have Nash than Franchise in two years.

Seems like our frustrating record robs some people of the ability to see things over the long-term.

 

is it me or do i recall hearing steve say that he wanted to be remembered for his defence when he was drafted?

 

Hey, DaDakota i think you need to sleep on this one.

 

Steve said that?!?!?
Steve needs ALOT of work on defense. The guards in general. The guards defensive effort is lacking considerably most of the time.

 

Give me a break!

Nash seems better than Steve
Because the Mavs have a better offense
Because the Mavs have post players (Dirk and Juwan)
That attract double teams
Leaving opportunities for their guards (most obviously Nash) to get open shots

Steve, however, has to fight for everything through constant double teams

Ideally, either Mo Taylor or Eddie will grow into a post player capable of drawing a double team, then swinging the ball to the open man (ala Dream, Glide, and Barkley). That may sound like a pipe dream, but it's our only hope of creating a balanced attack. I don't think the Rockets organization sees this team as contending (like the Mavs) until they move into the new arena, so I, myself, don't expect them to beat contending teams (like the Mavs) as of now. (I do, however, expect them to make the playoffs next year. A FOURTH lotto season would tell me that the team lacks leadership, both on the court and in the front office, which would make changes necessary.)

Finally, I think the Rockets suffer defensively when they go with their three guard line-up at the end of games - it doesn't work and should be changed. Eddie and TMo should see more time at the three and Moochie should get less minutes.

 

wow


as a Mavs fan I'm dumbfounded at the lack of support for the rockets. Francis is more talented than Nash. Nash just seems to work harder than Francis does this year. (and well is smarter in the fact that he doesn't drink and drive) That was a low shot, but true...

Francis is the Mac Daddy, and there is a reason why he is considered one (if not the best) point guard in the league right now. For you to bash him I don't understand.... Dirk scored 4 points the other day.. everyone said wow Dirk sucked that night, but no one said he was second rate to someone else. KG is supposed to be better (hehe against each othe says different) but you know what sometimes it doesn't happen. The Rockets arn't damn near 40 points better than the Mavericks, yet they damn near beat them by that much last time. Mavericks are a better team at this time. Why it's even close I don't know.. but the fact remains the same.

Francis is awesome.. Give up the idiocy!

 

Wow, another DaDakota thread trashing our guards...ever have a different opinion, we've heard this one ad nauseum.

 

OOOOOO man, another thing that really pisses me off. I'll say it right now - I am a huge EG fan. And whenever EG never - and i mean NEVER - gets the ball after setting the pick and roll, it pisses me off!!!!! So many times, you see him flailing his arms at the 3 pt line soooooooo wide open, yet the guards just continue on BLINDLY into the lane. I mean, WTF kind of guards are these?????? I am particularly disappointed in Steve right now. He went 9 - 24, and drove it into HEAVY traffic one too many times tonight. That's the whole ****ing point of a pick and roll, to get the guy open and kick it out to him. Honestly, there is absolutely no point in EG setting the pick. He's doing all he can to get open, yet he STILL doesn't get the ball. He might as well just camp around the 3pt line a pray that the ball just comes back out to him.

 

Ha! Cutturnover!!!! That's pretty cute! But how about we look at some stats.

Over the last two seasons
Nash: averaged 2.9 turnovers per game last season and currently 2.8 turnovers per game

Mobley: averaged 2.1 turnovers per game last season and currently 2.6.

I guess Nashurnover didn't have the same ring to it. And need I remind you that Mobley plays more minutes than Nash? I'm not going to debate whether Nash is a smarter player than Mobley, but you're acting like Nash is the smartest, most composed player in the league. You are completely wrong! He goes out of control all the time! He does 360 degree layups. He attempts some shots that even Moochie would dare not attempt. He dribbles around the baseline and jumps in the air before he even knows who he is going to pass to (sound like Francis?). He runs all over the court like a chicken with his head cutoff!

All that said, I do believe that Nash is an incredible player and extremely fun to watch, but the only difference I see between him and Mobley/Francis is that Nash is white and he is definitely a more consistent shooter from the outside.