1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

[Video] Officiating in Rockets-Spurs Game

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Clutch, Feb 2, 2012.

  1. whathappened

    whathappened Member

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2010
    Messages:
    423
    Likes Received:
    214
    what was the spread for this game? maybe they didn't want to anger vegas
     
  2. conquistador#11

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2006
    Messages:
    35,958
    Likes Received:
    22,335
    in a sport where a few points are the differential, missed calls/made calls make play a huge rule in the outcome. My problems arent with the calls that are missed on us but more with the calls that the other team gets. They do the same thing, like the travels of tp, swiping of the arm.
     
  3. DaDakota

    DaDakota If you want to know, just ask!

    Joined:
    Mar 14, 1999
    Messages:
    123,880
    Likes Received:
    32,772
    I think the officials did a decent job. I think the Rockets however played out of control too much, and it cost them.

    DD
     
  4. joesr

    joesr Member

    Joined:
    Aug 24, 2008
    Messages:
    6,772
    Likes Received:
    115
    working last night so didnt see but those replays you showed, without replays are hard calls to make, period.

    Lee for instant is a hard call but it look like the guy was set.
     
  5. DaDakota

    DaDakota If you want to know, just ask!

    Joined:
    Mar 14, 1999
    Messages:
    123,880
    Likes Received:
    32,772
    I am prety certain that you don't have to be set to draw a charge, if the referee determines that the offensive player gained an advantage due to bulling in etc, he can call a charge.

    Courtney Lee has a long storied history of idiotic moves late in close games, he nutted up in San Antonio last year missing 2 FTs late.....

    The game just gets too big for him and he crumbles.

    DD
     
  6. codell

    codell Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Aug 26, 2002
    Messages:
    19,312
    Likes Received:
    710
    I've always felt that the blocking/charging call is one of the most consistently blown calls in the history of professional sports. A defender should never be able to plant himself in front of a ball handler and draw a charge after the ball handler has already picked up his dribble and started his move to the basket, yet, the officials consistently will give the call to the defender.
     
  7. dobro1229

    dobro1229 Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2010
    Messages:
    23,888
    Likes Received:
    19,692
    I have a hard time with the Charge call on Lee. Actually, I dont think you should be able to collect a charge on a fast break anyways unless you were already on that side of the court ahead of time.

    Its dangerous for the player going full sprint on a fast break to have someone run in front of them and take out their legs. Do not agree with the call there for sheer principle.
     
  8. DaDakota

    DaDakota If you want to know, just ask!

    Joined:
    Mar 14, 1999
    Messages:
    123,880
    Likes Received:
    32,772
    What about Lee's decision to take on 4 guys?

    LOL.

    DD
     
  9. NewRoxFan

    NewRoxFan Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Feb 22, 2002
    Messages:
    53,814
    Likes Received:
    53,598
    The game is over, and complaining on this Board about poor officiating won't accomplish anything. There was a huge disparity in FTs, but refs usually reward teams that take the ball into the paint and penalize teams that rely on jumpshooting. And the points in the paint discrepancy shows the Rockets again settled on the jumpshot.

    That said, at least two of the calls that the Rockets have their biggest complaints (the earlier tripping foul that led to the charge call, and the Lee charge call) were Rocket players trying to drive and were penalized (wrongly, IMO) for driving the basket. And in context (Spurs players like Parker and Duncan benefited by questionable calls going to the basket), it is hard to not come away from the game criticizing the officials. This ignores that the hand to Goran's face was ignored while the hand to the Bonner's face drew a call.

    Interesting to note... with his team safely up, and from all appearances his team benefiting from the officiating, it was the Spurs coach that was most visible in his complaints about the officiating. I suspect the Rockets organization will send a tape with complaints to the League offices with no effect, but I do think that it might help the team to be a little more direct and real-time in their dissatisfaction with how the games are officiating, whether having McHale drawing an angry T and expulsion, or a player making a hard foul on a flop, or Morey complaining to the media. Obviously being the "good citizen" hasn't helped (and it did seem that after Van Gundy was fined for his complaints the calls on Yao improved).
     
  10. Z-Ro&Trae

    Z-Ro&Trae Member

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2009
    Messages:
    2,735
    Likes Received:
    41
    local commentator bias.
     
  11. Rocketman95

    Rocketman95 Hangout Boy

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 1999
    Messages:
    48,946
    Likes Received:
    1,365
    Unless there is a forearm or lowering of the shoulder by the offensive player, as long as I've played basketball the rule has always been the defender has to be set.
     
  12. NewRoxFan

    NewRoxFan Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Feb 22, 2002
    Messages:
    53,814
    Likes Received:
    53,598
    DD... we get it, you think Lee is a chowder head.
     
  13. NewRoxFan

    NewRoxFan Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Feb 22, 2002
    Messages:
    53,814
    Likes Received:
    53,598
    In part because the defensive player has to allow the offensive player the ability to avoid the foul.
     
  14. TheChosenOne

    TheChosenOne Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jul 15, 2010
    Messages:
    2,409
    Likes Received:
    93
    Sometimes you show your DeVry education man. Wow.
     
    1 person likes this.
  15. RocketRaccoon

    RocketRaccoon Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Aug 13, 2001
    Messages:
    3,851
    Likes Received:
    163
    All I know is the older I get the easier it is to walk away from this mess they call basketball. Normally I'm okay with the calls, but the 4 straight on Duncan soured me to no end. Stern lost me after that series.
     
    1 person likes this.
  16. mattrbowers

    mattrbowers Member

    Joined:
    Nov 4, 2009
    Messages:
    669
    Likes Received:
    20
    THanks! THat must have been hard to rewatch. I'm surprised I didn't break my remote watching the it the first time ...
     
  17. Prince

    Prince Member

    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2009
    Messages:
    5,375
    Likes Received:
    161
    C'mon Durvasa. you're better than this. Don't give that kind of reasoning.
     
  18. durvasa

    durvasa Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Feb 11, 2006
    Messages:
    37,908
    Likes Received:
    15,377
    They had the two best and most experienced players on the floor, both of whom are accustomed to taking over much bigger games than this one. How is that not a huge advantage?
     
  19. Spacemoth

    Spacemoth Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jul 30, 2007
    Messages:
    9,835
    Likes Received:
    4,484
    This game notwithstanding, I really think there might be a mandate from the commish's office to withhold foul calls on Kyle Lowry and Kevin Martin. I believe that they have a target on their backs. Maybe it was due to a reputation for flopping in previous years, but correcting one wrong with another wrong is not the right way to do it.

    Did you see that call where Kyle Lowry was driving, got hacked, and then got called for a charge against Splitter who was inside the semicircle? It's pretty clear that they just look the other way anytime Lowry decides to attack the paint.

    Basketball reasons.
     
  20. durvasa

    durvasa Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Feb 11, 2006
    Messages:
    37,908
    Likes Received:
    15,377
    Here's what the official rule book says on charge/block calls:


    A defensive player is permitted to establish a legal guarding position in the path of a dribbler regardless of his speed and distance.

    A defensive player is not permitted to move into the path of an offensive play-er once he has started his shooting motion.

    A defensive player must allow a moving player the distance to stop or change direction when the offensive player receives a pass outside the lower defensive box.

    A defensive player must allow an alighted player the distance to land and then stop or change direction when the offensive player is outside the lower defensive box.

    A defensive player is permitted to establish a legal guarding position in the path of an offensive player who receives a pass inside the lower defensive box regardless of his speed and distance.

    A defensive player must allow an alighted player who receives a pass the space to land when the offensive player is inside the lower defensive box.

    A defensive player must allow a moving offensive player without the ball the distance to stop or change direction.

    The speed of the offensive player will determine the amount of distance a defensive player must allow.

    If an offensive player causes contact with a defensive player who has estab-lished a legal position, an offensive foul shall be called and no points may be scored.

    A defensive player may turn slightly to protect himself, but is never allowed to bend over and submarine an opponent.

    An offensive foul should never be called if the contact is with a secondary defensive player who has established a defensive position within a designated "restricted area" near the basket for the purpose of drawing an offensive foul.

    The "restricted area" for this purpose is the area bounded by an arc with a 4-foot radius measured from the middle of the basket.

    EXCEPTION: Any player may be legally positioned within the "restricted area" if the offensive player receives the ball within the Lower Defensive Box.

    The mere fact that contact occurs on these type of plays, or any other similar play, does not necessarily mean that a personal foul has been committed. The offi-cials must decide whether the contact is negligible and/or incidental, judging each situation separately.

    It comes down to how we interpret "establish defensive position". Does the defender have to be stationary? I think there is mixed opinion on this, but my understanding is that the defender does not have to be literally stationary. He is allowed to slide so long as he is not moving towards the offensive player. For example, if the angle at which the defender is sliding is perpendicular to the direction that the offensive player is taking, it can not be said that the defender is gaining an advantage. He's maintaining his defensive position relative to the offensive player. Thus, if the offensive player slams into him, that is technically a charge.
     
    1 person likes this.

Share This Page

  • About ClutchFans

    Since 1996, ClutchFans has been loud and proud covering the Houston Rockets, helping set an industry standard for team fan sites. The forums have been a home for Houston sports fans as well as basketball fanatics around the globe.

  • Support ClutchFans!

    If you find that ClutchFans is a valuable resource for you, please consider becoming a Supporting Member. Supporting Members can upload photos and attachments directly to their posts, customize their user title and more. Gold Supporters see zero ads!


    Upgrade Now