I agree. Mike and Mike in the Morning on ESPN radio said that he deserved to be in the Hall of Fame. They also said that besides Bonds and maybe Sosa, that his numbers for the last 10 years compared to anybody and yet he has hardly been recognized for it. Who gets in first, Biggio or Bagwell? Do they retire the same year so they can go in the hall together?
they're average, at best. when compared to his disportionate home numbers, they're most certainly horrid. he's a coors field product. i think bagwell will be lucky to crack 450 at this point. we'll see. his recent slump may have been a result of his shoulder/hard play the past decade starting to take their toll. i think 500 is tall order. doesn't matter, though, he'd still the best NL 1B in the history of baseball if he quit tomorrow.
27 hr for 15 years gives you 400 HR's. I don't think that's average in my opinion. That's in the top 35 ever. Everybody knows he's a coor's field player, granted, but he's still good. Bagwell is on pace for about 30 HR's this year. He's far from done. Especially if Kent and Lance are going to stick around. He'll get lots of protection.
Bagwell will hit 30 to 35 home runs this year, and in his final season, most likely 2006 he'll be very close to 500 home runs. I think he'll barely get it, it all depends on the shoulder. But right now its obvious he's busted out of his slump.
While Helton's numbers are inflated by Coors, no one else is putting up those types of numbers there. He's still an above-average 1B.
Yes, Helton is due grand props! Bags, too! Retire at end of '06? With 600 HRs! Sure, Baggy, just a couple of hot streaks...
Who else is there? An aging Larry Walker? Preston Wilson? The Rockies lineup isn't good, it's why they aren't very good.
400 homers is great, and even greater is his leadership for others to be influenced by. albeit the "quiet" type of leadership...
Not to belittle Bagwell's accomplishment in any way, but... Hank Aaron had 400 SOLO HR's in his career. How awesome is that?
not clutch? Hank Aaron was excellent. Long term quality, top notch. But, never great. Willie was. The Mick, too. And Roberto.
I beg to differ. Bagwell is as others mentioned, one of the top 5 1B ever. He also in his prime was one of the best defensive 1b ever. Who can forget the fear he installed in the opposition on the bunt play? I sure can't. Plus, if jeff had not played in the cavernous dome for 10 years, he would probably be at 500 already. He and biggio carried the astros offense for years, it wasn't until the mid 90's we got guys like berkman, hidalgo, alou, etc to help them score runs. Jeff Bagwell is the best 1b of this era(last 10-20 years) and will be a first ballot hall of famer. Biggio is a bit more iffy, but he was the best second baseman in baseball for a long time, and one of the top 5 leadoff hitters ever, so he should be first ballot as well. Just my opinion.
Bags was on the Dan Patrick (ESPN) show this afternoon. As soon as the have the interview online I will post a link. He sounded really down. Fore! Hundred The Dan Patrick Show with Dan and Rob Dibble July 21st, 2003 Jeff Bagwell, Astros slugger The newest member of the 400-homer club wasn't too charged up..."I don't sound excited? The way I'm playing...you don't get fired up to go out and go 1-for-5...ahhhh, let's talk golf." Jeff collects No.5 jerseys and is looking for a game-used DiMaggio..."it's like 100-thousand...I'm still looking."
First Ballot, if his career ended today, he isn't even a definite hall of famer. I know he gets hurt from playing in the dome, but his homeruns aren't spectacular in today's age. His career avg. is down to .301. He needs a little more than 400 hits to reach 2500. He has really good stats, but he needs to reach some of those magic totals to be a first ballot hall of famer. Not that I don't think he won't, I'm fairly sure he will.
yeah, he is. The man, despite playing in one of the best pitcher's parks ever was an offensive machine - his on-base percentage relative to the rest of the league is astounding - and his slugging percentage relative to the league is comparable to the great first basemen in history. If he retired right now - he'd be the best National League first baseman ever. That's a stone-cold lock for the Hall, that's a first ballot Hall of Famer.
dude, if he retired later this afternoon, you couldn't name a better 1b in NL history. not a one. no one's even close.
A way to look at this objectively would be to rate a similar player from another team. If Frank Thomas ended his career today would he go to the hall? I personally don't think he would but Bagwell and Thomas have virtually the exact same numbers. Frank Thomas BA .312 HR 398 RBI 1337 BB 1350 SO 1030 SLG .567 OBP .430 Jeff Bagwell BA .301 HR 400 RBI 1375 BB 1248 SO 1357 SLG .548 OBP .412 Sportscenter did a thing on Thomas's and Bagwell's similarities this morning and also brought up the fact that they are the same age and were born on the exact same day. Weird.
Thomas' numbers are inflated by the fact that he plays in a hitters park - and the fact that he's a DH, not a first baseman. But he's in.
Jeff Bagwell and Frank Thomas are practically the same but Bagwell has been an everyday 1st baseman his entire career who has been great defensively. Frank Thomas is a DH now because he's not good enough to play 1st base every day.
