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  1. Joe Joe

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    LOL! I caught the Tropeano comment, but not the Santana comment. It looks bad enough to make one error, but two makes it look less like a typo especially considering the Santana comment doesn't make sense.
     
  2. juicystream

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    It has been updated to correct the Santana error:

    The next most likely is Domingo Santana, as Oklahoma City will give us a better read on where his plate discipline lies than Corpus Christi did.

    He has to study 100s of minor leaguers (if not thousands), plus fully cover MLB, so it is somewhat forgivable, but makes you realize that it is probably a good idea to realize to take his opinion with a larger grain of salt than others.
     
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    I know AAA is a little bit harder than AA, but AA gives a good read on plate discipline in my opinion. Sure, he'll walk less in AAA, but that will be more a function of pitchers throwing more strikes. AAA may test his ability to make contact a little bit more as he'll see less pitches over heart of the plate.
     
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    Yeah, I think he meant his original opinion about Lancaster to CC and is now just covering for the mistake.
     
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    So with 3 significant top 100 lists, and BA's top 10 here's what we got

    Carlos Correa______MLB #8____BP #5____FG #4____BA 1st
    George Springer____MLB #21___BP #20___FG #19___BA 2nd
    Mark Appel________MLB #17___BP #21___FG #11___BA 3rd
    Mike Foltynewicz___MLB #55 __BP #43___FG #70___BA 4th
    Jonathan Singleton_MLB #50___BP #57___FG #78___BA 7th
    Lance McCullers____MLB #52___NR_______NR_______BA 5th
    Delino DeShield Jr.__MLB #66___NR ______FG #80____BA 11th
    Vincent Velasquez__NR________NR_______FG #82____BA 6th

    There seems to be a consenseus on the top 5. Correa is universally regarded as elite.

    I'm assuming Singleton will still be on BA's top 100 given he is on all the other lists, and they have McCullers and Velasquez above him, so it seems likely they are on too.

    Santana,Feliz and Woj were all ahead of DD on BA's list, curious if any of them make it. In the BA Q&A the writer seemed to go out of his way to suggest they were still very high on DD, despite him being out of the top 10.
     
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    Not sure why I listed ESPN's list as fangraphs LOL, but point remains the same
     
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    This weeks Ask BA explores a very offseasonish question: is the backend of the 2014 Astros top 30 better than the 2010 Astros top 10?

    Long story short, the 30th ranked 2010 Astros system was quietly a productive class producing two all-stars, one everyday third baseman and a servicible starter.

    The article also produces some very surprising names (to me) that were included on the top 30 in anticipation of the BA Handbook release. Gustave and Guduan are a righty and lefty with 100mph fastballs who haven't done much above short season ball. Their inclusion means a lot of much closer, much higher floor prospects were left off the list. It teases me enough to shell out the cash for the handbook.
     
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Astros pitcher Mark Appel underwent an appendectomy yesterday &amp; is recovering. Astros say it was a standard procedure with no complications.</p>&mdash; Mark Berman (@MarkBermanFox26) <a href="https://twitter.com/MarkBermanFox26/statuses/429398347430912001">January 31, 2014</a></blockquote>
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>On pitcher Mark Appel's appendectomy Astros GM Jeff Luhnow said in a statement: &quot;Mark will be fine. He will report to camp on time.&quot;</p>&mdash; Mark Berman (@MarkBermanFox26) <a href="https://twitter.com/MarkBermanFox26/statuses/429398801434963968">January 31, 2014</a></blockquote>
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    Even for laparoscopic cases, I tell my appendectomy patients no heavy lifting/straining for 6 weeks. I'm sure some long toss in 3 weeks won't be a huge deal though.
     
  10. tellitlikeitis

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    Just got my copy of the 2014 BA Prospect Handbook. If you're waiting for your copy, please don't click the spoiler.

    The Astros system is ranked #5 in the entire league, and 3rd in the AL.
    The 4 teams above them: Pirates, Red Sox, Twins (and I'm a bit iffy on that, since Minnesota is basically the Buxton and Sano Show), Cubs

    Baseball America's editors do a personal top 50 at the beginning of the book, and here's where Astros prospects stand:

    John Manuel
    Carlos Correa #7
    George Springer #19

    Matt Eddy
    Correa #4
    Springer #27
    Mark Appel #35
    Jonathan Singleton #48

    J.J. Cooper
    Correa #11 (the 4 immediately above Correa in Cooper's list are Addison Russell, Francisco Lindor, Archie Bradley, and Jonathan Gray)
    Springer #25

    Ben Badler
    Correa #6
    Springer #25
    Appel #36

    Top 2014 rookie: Springer.

    Chris Lee was tabbed as the "Breakout Prospect," and Juan Minaya was labeled as the sleeper.

    Draft Analysis

    Best Pure Hitter: Conrad Gregor
    Best Power Hitter: Jake Nottingham
    Fastest Runner: Tony Kemp (65 speed at his best)
    Best Defensive Player: James Ramsay
    Best Fastball: Appel
    Best Secondary Pitch: Either Appel's slider or his changeup.
    Best Pro Debut: Tyler White, Kyle Westwood
    Best Athlete: Kemp
    Most Intriguing Background: Appel, Kacy Clemens
    Closest to the Majors: Appel
    Best Late-Round Pick: Westwood
    The One Who Got Away: Alex Schick

    Depth Chart

    The depth chart is constructed according to where BA thinks a player will ultimately end up. That is why Nolan Fontana is listed as a 2B.

    LF
    Teoscar Hernandez
    Leo Heras
    Danry Vasquez
    Preston Tucker
    Marc Krauss
    Austin Wates
    Brandon Meredith

    CF
    George Springer
    Delino DeShields
    Andrew Aplin
    Brett Phillips
    James Ramsay
    Jason Martin
    Nestor Tejada

    RF
    Domingo Santana
    Ariel Ovando
    Dan Gulbransen
    Felix Lucas

    3B
    Rio Ruiz
    Jonathan Meyer
    Tyler White
    Matt Duffy

    SS
    Carlos Correa
    Wilson Amador
    Wander Franco
    Joan Mauricio
    Thomas Lindauer
    Jio Mier
    Joe Sclafani

    2B
    Nolan Fontana
    Ronald Torreyes
    Tony Kemp
    Enrique Hernandez

    1B
    Jonathan Singleton
    Conrad Gregor
    Japhet Amador
    Telvin Nash
    Bobby Borchering

    C
    Max Stassi
    Carlos Perez
    Tyler Heineman
    Rene Garcia
    Roberto Peña
    Jake Nottingham
    Alfredo Gonzalez
    Brian Holberton

    Left-handed starters
    Josh Hader
    Kent Emanuel
    Chris Lee
    Luis Cruz
    Rudy Owens
    Austin Nicely
    Randall Fant

    Left-handed relievers
    Kevin Chapman
    Reymin Guduan
    Alex Sogard
    Kenny Long

    Right-handed starters
    Mark Appel
    Mike Foltynewicz
    Lance McCullers
    Vince Velasquez
    Michael Feliz
    Asher Wojciechowski
    Andrew Thurman
    Nick Tropeano
    Jake Buchanan
    Kyle Smith
    Brady Rodgers
    Aaron West
    Devonte German

    Right-handed relievers
    Gonzalo Sanudo
    Jandel Gustave
    Jose Cisnero
    Chia-Jen Lo
    David Martinez
    Adrian Houser
    Juan Minaya
    Kyle Westwood
    Francis Ramirez

    BEST TOOLS

    Best Hitter for Average: Carlos Correa
    Best Power Hitter: George Springer
    Best Strike-Zone Discipline: Nolan Fontana
    Fastest Baserunner: Delino DeShields Jr.
    Best Athlete: George Springer
    Best Fastball: Mike Foltynewicz
    Best Curveball: Lance McCullers Jr.
    Best Slider: Mark Appel
    Best Changeup: Vince Velasquez
    Best Control: Jake Buchanan
    Best Defensive Catcher: Roberto Pena
    Best Defensive Infielder: Carlos Correa
    Best Infield Arm: Carlos Correa
    Best Defensive Outfielder: George Springer
    Best Outfield Arm: Brett Phillips

    Top 15 Players 25 and Under

    1. Carlos Correa
    2. George Springer
    3. Jarred Cosart
    4. Mark Appel
    5. Mike Foltynewicz
    6. Lance McCullers
    7. Vince Velasquez
    8. Jonathan Singleton
    9. Domingo Santana
    10. Michael Feliz
    11. Jose Altuve
    12. Brett Oberholtzer
    13. Jonathan Villar
    14. Asher Wojciechowski
    15. Matt Dominguez


    And now, here are the top 30 prospects and their grades in the Houston Astros organization (and an excerpt from some of these back-end guys), as ranked by Baseball America.

    31. Ronald Torreyes, 2B/SS (included in a bonus supplement if you ordered from BA), 40/Medium

    30. Brett Phillips, OF, 50/Extreme

    29. Danry Vasquez, OF, 45/High

    28. Reymin Guduan, LHP, 50/Extreme

    On his emergency promotion to OKC all the way from the GCL:

    Seriously:
    27. Jandel Gustave, RHP, 50/Extreme

    26. Gonzalo Sanudo, RHP, 45/High

    25. Leo Heras, OF, 45/High

    24. Chris Lee, LHP, 50/Extreme

    23. Kent Emanuel, LHP, 45/Medium

    22. Kyle Smith, RHP, 45/Medium

    21. Jake Buchanan, RHP, 45/Medium
    20. Nolan Fontana, SS, 45/Medium
    19. Andrew Aplin, OF, 45/Medium

    18. Nick Tropeano, RHP, 45/Medium

    On the tandem approach:

    17. Kevin Chapman, LHP, 45/Medium

    16. Teoscar Hernandez, OF, 50/High

    15. Andrew Thurman, RHP, 50/High

    14. Josh Hader, LHP, 50/High

    On his delivery:

    13. Delino DeShields, OF, 50/High

    No mention of his effort/attitude issues.

    12. Max Stassi, C, 50/High

    11. Rio Ruiz, 3B, 50/High

    See post #47 for the reports on the top 10.

    10. Asher Wojciechowski, RHP, 50/Medium
    9. Michael Feliz, RHP, 55/Extreme
    8. Domingo Santana, OF, 55/High
    7. Jonathan Singleton, 1B, 55/High
    6. Vince Velasquez, RHP, 55/High
    5. Lance McCullers, RHP, 55/High
    4. Mike Foltynewicz, RHP, 60/High
    3. Mark Appel, RHP, 60/High
    2. George Springer, OF, 65/Medium
    1. Carlos Correa, SS, 70/Medium

    - Correa's risk grade decreased to Medium while retaining a 70. Springer's risk grade also dropped to Medium while retaining a 65.
    - Singleton dropped from a 65/Medium to a 55/High.
    - While McCullers now has a High risk grade, his number grade dropped from 65 to 55.
    - Rio Ruiz's grade dropped to a 50, but his risk grade went to High.
    - Folty went from a 55 to a 60.
    - Santana went from a 60 in 2012 to a 50 in 2013 and a 55 in 2014.
    - Velasquez went from a 50 to a 55.
    - Hader went from a 45 to a 50.
    - Buchanan was rated a 40 in 2012, but he's now sporting a 45.
    - Vasquez was a top prospect in a thin system, but he's at the back of the top 30 in this system.

    Top 30 Breakdown

    By numerical grade

    1 70 (Correa)
    1 65 (Springer)
    2 60s (Appel, Foltynewicz)
    5 55s (McCullers, Velasquez, Singleton, Santana, Feliz)
    11 50s
    10 45s

    By risk

    10 Medium
    15 High
    5 Extreme

    21 homegrown players, 9 acquired

    8 college, 1 JUCO, 7 high school, 5 international players
    All 9 acquired players came via trade.

    By position: 12 RHP, 5 LHP, 4 CF, 3 LF, 1 RF, 1 3B, 1 SS, 1 2B, 1 1B, 1 C

    Welcome back: Jake Buchanan returned to the book after dropping out in 2013. He was #13 in 2012. Kevin Chapman, after being the bonus supplement prospect in 2013, returned to the book. He was #18 in the Royals system in 2012.

    There were 13 new names on the top 30 this year.

    New faces (read as: had not been on another team's list): Michael Feliz, Andrew Thurman, Teoscar Hernandez, Kent Emanuel, Chris Lee, Leo Heras, Gonzalo Sanudo, Jandel Gustave, Reymin Guduan

    New to list, but have appeared in another team's list: Max Stassi (#14 A's, 2013), Josh Hader (#19 Orioles), Kyle Smith (#12 Royals), Danry Vasquez (#6 Tigers)

    2013 Draftees in Top 30: Appel, Thurman, Emanuel

    Dropouts: Jose Cisnero, Adrian Houser, Ross Seaton, Chia-Jen Lo, Brady Rodgers, Austin Wates, Carlos Perez, Aaron West, Tyler Heineman

    Graduated off list: Jarred Cosart, Jonathan Villar, Robbie Grossman, Brett Oberholtzer, Josh Fields, Paul Clemens

    Biggest rise: Feliz (previously unranked)
    Biggest rise from within the list: Velasquez (#13 in 13, #6 in 14)

    Biggest drop: Jose Cisnero (was #15)
    Biggest drop while remaining in the top 30: Brett Phillips (was #18); Danry Vasquez dropped 23 spots (#6 in 2013, #29 in 2014), but that was in between systems.

    Top 30 by draft class/signing date

    7 drafted in 2012 (Correa, McCullers, Ruiz, Fontana, Aplin, Phillips; Hader by Orioles)
    6 drafted in 2010 (DeShields, Foltynewicz, Velasquez, Buchanan; Wojciechowski by Blue Jays, Chapman by Royals)
    4 drafted in 2011 (Springer, Tropeano, Lee; Smith by Royals)
    3 drafted in 2013 (Appel, Thurman, Emanuel)
    3 signed in 2010 (Feliz and Gustave; Vasquez by Tigers)
    2 drafted in 2009 (Singleton by Phillies, Stassi by A's)
    2 signed in 2011 (Hernandez; Sanudo by Twins)
    2 signed in 2009 (Guduan; Santana by Phillies)
    1 signed in 2013 (Heras)
     
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    As you were.

    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>The Astros will be adding a second club to the Dominican Summer League.</p>&mdash; Brian McTaggart (@brianmctaggart) <a href="https://twitter.com/brianmctaggart/statuses/430759367084740608">February 4, 2014</a></blockquote>
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>With the addition of the second DSL club, the <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Astros&amp;src=hash">#Astros</a> now have nine Minor League affiliates, (seven domestic, two international).</p>&mdash; Brian McTaggart (@brianmctaggart) <a href="https://twitter.com/brianmctaggart/statuses/430759718001184768">February 4, 2014</a></blockquote>
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    Interesting they felt the need to get a second foreign based summer league team. They used to have a Venezuelan summer league team but haven't had one for a few years now.

    Sounds like Luhnow and Co are really committed to bringing back a Latin American pipeline.
     
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>In DR as usual, 73 in camp. Hard not to get excited about the players on the field and the staff developing them.</p>&mdash; Oz Ocampo (@OzOcampo) <a href="https://twitter.com/OzOcampo/statuses/430864299708276736">February 5, 2014</a></blockquote>
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Very excited about our 2nd DSL team as well as the addition of Carlos Alfonso to our international team <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23raisingthebar&amp;src=hash">#raisingthebar</a></p>&mdash; Oz Ocampo (@OzOcampo) <a href="https://twitter.com/OzOcampo/statuses/430864425210232832">February 5, 2014</a></blockquote>
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    Carlos Correa wants to show the Astros that he's ready for Corpus

    Also see: http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=250497

     
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    Don't forget that the Astros could receive 2 PTBNLs; one from the Padres (who could send cash instead) for the Anthony Bass deal, and one from the Rockies to complete the Dexter Fowler deal.

    Pretty much all of the 2013 draftees for both teams are out of the question; the only possibilities are from the Padres, and since the trade occurred on December 11, they had to have been signed on June 11, 2013.

    14 players fit this criteria:

    RHP Bryan Verbitsky (3)
    RHP Trevor Gott (6)
    RHP Adam Cimber (9)
    RHP Justin Livengood (10)
    LHP Erik Schoenrock (11)
    C Ryan Miller (14)
    1B Trae Santos (17)
    LHP Brandon Fry (18)
    C Michael Miller (20)
    3B Chase Jensen (22)
    RHP Josh Richardson (26)
    2B Michael Bass (27)
    RHP Kyle Lloyd (29)
    LHP Jeffrey Enloe (37)

    Lake Elsinore roster

    Fort Wayne roster

    Eugene roster

    AZL Padres roster

    The Fowler trade occurred on December 3. That means that none of the Rockies' 2013 draft picks are eligible to be traded.

    Modesto roster

    Asheville roster

    Tri-City roster

    Grand Junction roster
     
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>On June 10, the <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Astros&amp;src=hash">#Astros</a> will hold a game at Minute Maid Park between Double-A Hooks and San Antonio Missions.</p>&mdash; Brian McTaggart (@brianmctaggart) <a href="https://twitter.com/brianmctaggart/statuses/432948129755717632">February 10, 2014</a></blockquote>
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>The Hooks and Missions will play at 6:10 p.m. at Minute Maid Park on June 10.</p>&mdash; Brian McTaggart (@brianmctaggart) <a href="https://twitter.com/brianmctaggart/statuses/432948745265631232">February 10, 2014</a></blockquote>
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  18. Bear_Bryant

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    I'll probably go to that game. Correa and Appel might pitch? Count me in!
     
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    Why would Correa pitch? ;)
     
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    That game should be a ton of fun! I wish they would do this more often...
     
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