I'm no Schaub fanboy, but you can't hold a few mistakes against him, in my opinion he's been pretty clutch. He'll get you down the field at the end of games. Everyone points to that OT pick in the Ravens game and don't realize that he converted consecutive 90 yard drives before then. Having to constantly make big comebacks is a hectic way to play offense and hectic play leads to mistakes. You can't tell me one time that he gave up the game when WE had the lead. This isn't a rant directed at you but more the people that are always hating on Schaub. /Rant.
Schaub is a pretty clutch quarterback. He constantly leads us down the field in crunch time and had one mistake in the Ravens game. That throw to Andre in the endzone was clutch. Stepped in to that throw knowing that he would take a hit. Led us down the field against the Cheifs. Clutch against the Ravens in relgulation. Led us dwn the field against the Jets and Redskins. I think Matt is up there with the other Matt(Ryan). Even gave us a shot against the Chargers when that pick was caused from thar freakish bounce off of Andre's leg.
I don't know what your case is against Schaub's toughness, but he came back from an early game injury in the Seahawks game 2 years ago. The knee injury was a cheapshot from that hillbilly Jared Allen. The only nontough injury I can recall is the ankle thing when he scrambled out of bounds. But I'll attribute that to Houston's bad luck, where your pro bowl MLB gets a season ending injury from jumping up in a play he wasn't even really involved in.
toughness meaning he can take a hit from a defensive player or escape the grasp and bounce off and still make a play ala Big Ben. at the end of the day, his play has personified the texans, a lot of stats, a lot of good plays with some bad plays, but all those plays and stats haven't resulted in playoffs. so yeah color me a national media type. and that throw to andre in the redkskins game was 90 percent andre, he threw a jumpball to the best WR.
Have you seen how michael vick gets tko'd with a cornerback blitz. When you don't see it coming, it's hard to avoid it. I think Matt has improved drastically in feeling the pressure and stepping into his throws. That cornerback blitz is still an issue, the team can never pick it up. Before Aaron had that defense, he was just a stats guy too. It's unfortunate that Matt can't line up at safety then clone himself at the cornerback position. But something tells me Schaub would be a little slow playing defensive back. The Texans went toe to toe against the "elite" teams last year, and they took the lead. With the way the scheme gets to the Quaterback now, an average defense can make schaub into a winner.
Peyton had a stretch of 11 picks in four games last year lol. And usually it is the receiver but it was Schaub who said ok I'm going to take the hit here it goes. Takes cojones to step up in the pocket with a linebacker flying in. The texans would have been in the playoffs the last three years if they had a respectable defense.
I love how people say that Schaub throws INTs at "inopportune" times. As if there are opportune times to throw a pick. Every pick is thrown at an inopportune time, unless you're getting blown out. Every QB throws them. We haven't won because our defense sucks. Plain and simple. I know all the offensive players try to shoulder some of the blame, but if the defense was even half as good as the offense, we'd be in the playoffs every year.
Exactly......Schuab is underrated. Schaubs individual stats suggest he is elite. I hate how he gets blamed because our defense sucks. Joe Flacco is so overrated. His team is a perennial playoff team. It surely isn't because of him.
the fact that joe flacco has made the playoffs should be an encouraging sign to someone like schaub. as far as peyton making all those INTs, so what, he's still a better qb than schaub.does anyone think that the colts would trade peyton for schaub, even busted neck peyton? I'd take a pre SB Aaron Rodgers over Schaub, more mobile and athletic. Underrated is such an overused cliche at times. who cares if someone is underrated or overrated, how about calling that player what he really is...and calling schaub an elite QB is putting him in the company of brady and peyton which he is not. for the record i think schaub can take us to the super bowl but you don't need an elite qb to get there.
well I don't think he is elite, you need a superbowl or two to be considered that but top ten, being the tenth is pretty damn great. An aaron pre superbowl is what? a green bay packers team that gets beaten by the sucky texans? ends up with an 8-8 record?
While no INT is considered "opportune" there are certainly varying degrees of inopportune, I hope you would agree. Throwing an INT on a jump ball in the end zone when it is 3rd and long on the 45 yard line is not really very inopportune. If they intercept it, they get field position comparable to a punt anyway, most likely. But if you are on your 6 yard line and an INT is almost guaranteed to be 6 points for the other team (if not immediately on the INT return then in a play or two from their offense), well, that's way more inopportune than the previous scenario. And if that also happens to be at the end of a close game, that just adds to it. I'm not a Schaub hater. I really like the guy and I think he is underrated by the media too, but I don't think the criticism of him having a few "choke" moments is invalid.
Schaub will set records if he stops underthrowing Andre on deep routes...Schaub is a good quarterback but doesnt have the "it" factor like Roethlisberger, Manning, Rivers...etc.... I dont feel as confident with the ball in his hands in a game-winning drive...
I'm not sure why you feel this way, considering the following... Crunch time performances by Schaub in 2010: Week 2 @ Redskins - Schaub goes 38/52 for 3 tds and leads a 2nd half rally with a game tying last second score, first OT win. Week 6 vs. Chiefs - Schaub goes 20/29 with 3 tds, down 17 points in the 4th, goes 11-15 sets up all 3 tds. Week 9 vs Chargers - After a 2nd half defensive collapse, with under 6 mins left, down by 6, Schaub goes 8 of 12 for 106 yards, then AJ drops a sure catch into the arms of Weddle, game over. Week 10 @ Jags - 3 tds in 2nd half, tying score in last 3 minutes. Defensive failboat to give jags the win preventing OT. Week 11 @ NYJ - Leads the Texans on a furious 4th quarter comeback, scoring 20 points to go from a 7-23 deficit to take the lead 27-23. Defensive Failboat in the final minute costs Texans the game. Week 14 vs BAL - Incredible 2nd half comeback by Schaub, including two passes for a TD and 2-pt conversion to seal the comeback, 63 passes eventually catches up to him and the pick 6 ends it in OT. Crunch time performances by Schaub in 2009: Week 2 @ Titans - Lit up the Titans for 350 yards and 4 touchdowns; including digging the team out of a 21-7 deficit halfway through the second quarter & driving down the field with 3 minutes left to knock in the game winning FG Week 3 vs. Jags - 300 yards and 3 touchdowns; including a last minute game-tying drive to the goal line where Chris Brown fumbled the game away. Week 5 @ Cards - 370 yards 2 touchdowns; including resurrecting the team from a 0-21 deficit after halftime, and despite throwing a pick-6, he nutted up and led a final minute, game-tying drive to the goal line where Chris Brown once again EPIC FAILED. Week 6 @ Cinci - Almost 400 yards and 4 touchdowns; came back from down 3 at halftime to win *on the road* against the NFL's *6th* ranked defense. Week 9 @ Indy - 32 of 43 for 300 yards; despite throwing a costly late pick due to a blown blocking assignment, Matt still marched us into field goal range for the tie where another Kris Brown failed the game away. All this, by the way, on the road against the NFL's "best" team. Week 11 vs. Titans - 300 yards and 2 touchdowns; once again drove the Texans down the field in the final moments to set up a game tying field goal. ANOTHER Kris Brown epic fail. Week 13 @ Jags - 200 yards and a touchdown in about 2.5 quarters of action; despite a sprained shoulder returned to the game and played hurt the entire time, nearly pulled out the W if not for... you guessed it... ANOTHER Chris Brown epic fail. Week 17 vs Patriots - Goes 7-10 with a TD and sets up Foster's game tying 1 yard TD run in the final 7 minutes, defense seals it after that. Crunch time performances in 2008 (considering Schaub was hurt half the year, 3 clutch performances isn't bad): Week 3 @ Jags - 300 yards 3 touchdowns; drove the Texans in field goal range in the final two minutes to tie the game as time expired. Never got the ball in OT. Week 6 vs. Dolphins - Matt with the game winning drive in the final two minutes capped off by a QB sneak for the win over the playoff bound Dolphins as time expired. Week 14 @ Packers - 400 yards 2 touchdowns; Matt with a drive in the final 2 minutes to set up the game winning field goal as time expired.
Anyone care to do one of these for the blown crunch-time opportunities during the Schaub era? There have clearly been more than a few. As far as clutch factor, i would say Matt is average. Sometimes he steps it up, and some times he does some really dumb stuff in the biggest moments. I certainly don't feel like "Matt's gonna bring us back" when we are down or need a big score. That's the definition of clutch to me.
You don't really need a separate list, because virtually every close game that the Texans have been in over the last 3 years is on that list. Including games where Schaub has done something bad in the final moments. Failed QB sneak vs SD. Game ender vs BAL. Pick 6 vs ARZ. Etc.
Nationally yes, and you are right - it's largely due to the postseason bias. Roethlisberger got righteously overrated after winning a superbowl so early, and that's gone to his head and affected his play (see the J Harrison call out a month ago). On this BBS? Schaub is probably overrated to a degree. A lot of his flaws are brushed over with homerism (his late pick 6 against Az doesn't count because he had such a hot second half otherwise....and his dud of a first half doesn't count either for the same reason). He's very very good, but he's not going to Canton at this rate. I'll keep beating the following drum: Schaub is very good, but his receivers make him look better than he does them. I don't know where you'd find the stats, but I'm certain they would demonstrate that his INCs are on him most of the time (the lame underthrown ball to the ankle...partially balanced by Jacoby's stone hands). He had a big dropoff last year, and I don't think it's a coincidence at all that he didn't have Johnson or Daniels at full strength. He also benefits from Kubiak's passer-friendly offense. They do a great job opening up the field and getting receivers in space. And of course give credit to Matt - he's got a nice pocket presence and makes good decisions with the ball 95% of the time. No Sex Cannon, panicky INTs, "**** It I'm Going Deep" syndrome, or anything else. If there's going to be a pick (or fumble or allowed 80 yd TD), I think everyone would rather see it in the first half than as a game-sealing play in the final minutes of a game. Good comparison. I'd say he compares fairly with Carson Palmer in his prime. http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/qb Football Outsiders, one of the few rational places I would go for comparisons. They've got Schaub ranked 8th. Surprised to see Rodgers 4th, and laughing at "ELIte Manning" down at 15. LOL at Jay Cutler, too.
