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Regime change?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Carl Herrera, Aug 22, 2011.

  1. Carl Herrera

    Carl Herrera Contributing Member

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    Here is the link to the poll so you don't have to go to TPM.

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/149114/Obama-Close-Race-Against-Romney-Perry-Bachmann-Paul.aspx

    I can think of numerous ways Obama's popularity can go down in a year, but I can think of very few of why it would go up (the economy will still suck). Guess we will have to wait and see what that awesome new jobs plan he has is. I wonder if it involves handing out tax dollars to private companies......

    Also he is below 50% on Intrade

    http://www.intrade.com/v4/markets/contract/?contractId=743474
     
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  4. Carl Herrera

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    There you go bringing race into the discussion again.
     
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    What's wrong with TPM? It's one of the best, facts based news sites on the web.
     
  6. Carl Herrera

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    Not right wing enough.
     
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    Not right wing enough
     
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    That's too bad. You could probably dispel a lot of your misconceptions about democratic principals and the truth of what is really happening in this country if you read it more.

    Make no mistake, Mr. Obama will be elected again and it would behoove the republican party to start a process of becoming a viable, serious party again by working with democrats and come together to do what's best for the country.
     
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    Republicans not viable? Did you just block 2010 out of your memory?
     
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    I'm sure he's thinking about what has happened since then.
     
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    holding on to Wisconsin Senate? still being ahead in the generic ballot? taking the lead over Obama in presidential polls? still winning the healthcare debate in the polls? Making a contest out of Schumer/Ferraro/Weiner's Congressional seat (6 points behind last I saw)? What data shows the Republicans as not viable relative to Democrats?

    They are ahead of the Dems:

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/generic_congressional_vote-2170.html
     
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    That's a nice way to spin it. The GOP lost two seats and it wasn't even time for an election.
     
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    The president hasn't started spending his ONE BILLION DOLLARS yet.

    Seriously, the president has been pummeled continually for three years and still polls ahead of the field and congressional polling. The GOP has now punched itself out. They got nothing left. All they have is hoping the economy tanks. Nice job
     
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    Unions Lose Again in Wisconsin: It looks as if the organized labor movement has failed to recall enough Wisconsin Republicans to regain control of the state senate. That’s a) in an off-year election where union turnout usually makes the difference b) in famously progressive Wisconsin c) after spending many millions d) with a nationwide media and organizing push e) when labor had a galvanizing issue in Gov. Scott Walker’s direct assault on the institutional collective bargaining power of public employees, which led to a dramatic walkout by Democrats.

    I can hear the Democratic bloggers now: ”Maybe it’s time to rethink our blind committment to a 75-year-old law that was always an unsatisfying tire patch on capitalism’s excesses–but that now looks like an archaic, morally arbitrary institution that only empowers entrenched interests, prevents accountability, discredits liberal government and mires America’s private productive institutions in productivity-sapping legalism–and start thinking about replacing it with something better the way New Left radicals did in the 60s and neoliberals like Robert Reich did in the ’80s and ’90s before they gave up and made their peace with Big Labor because Democrats needed the money …

    Nah.”

    Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2011/08/10/unions-fail-again-in-wisconsin/#ixzz1VoCHuGnc
     
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    or one could say the unions spent 30 million dollars in a non election year in a normally blue state and still failed to get the wins they needed. I doubt the unions even bother going for Walker after such a defeat. It would cost too much and it would take a year for the election.
     
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    Unions seem to do OK in Ohio. Agree with unions or not (and there's some much deserved criticism), I think the WI effort is tactically worth it for them. They did not get the majority there this time, but motivated/organized a good number of votes. I also think the WI events had an effect on the mood in Ohio, too.
     
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    and across the nation

    It was an inspired spark at a time when the democrats needed one. Gave the nation a chance to see what a true grassroots uprising was about (not some corporate sponsored teatard uprising) and what it could do with a vote.
     
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    spin it anyway you like. But the GOP losing two seats when they weren't even supposed to be up for election isn't a real showing of how strong the GOP is right now.
     
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    Worth it for the unions, but is it worth it for the Democrats?
     

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