Where's the vote option for - I think he owes us a few years at no charge since he has already got paid to rehab for the past decade.
Do you mind spending a couple dollors for a lottery ticket? I don't mind especially if it's not my money, but some people don't want to do that. Becuase if they don't win the lottery, they are going to be disappointed by wasting a couple dollars even if somebody else paid it. They don't want to be disappointed, period.
This isn't buying some lottery ticket for a couple of bucks. THIS is about that logo I put up earlier in this thread. As a Rockets fan, I agree with what solid said. The organization and the fans HAVE been held hostage for quite awhile. Most of us realize/realized that Yao should have been dealt 4-5 years ago. But I can't begrudge Les for wanting to make the cheese ........to a point. Enough is enough. No more commercialism ahead of what we put on the court for awhile. DM has fed the window yet kept us in a sweet position to rebuild and now it's time for him, whoever our coach is, and our young players to do their thing. No more parallel contingencies for Yao. DM needs to rebuild with the maximum flexibility and not be forced to attempt to contend sooner than later....
Yea Yao should have been dealt 4-5 years ago...when he was the best C in the league.. So many morons on CF, it is getting hard to read.
This is seriously your reason for not wanting Yao back @ the mininum? Because peoples feelings might get hurt?
There will be no "hostage situation" any more than there were when Steve Francis came back to the Rockets in 2007. You paid the guy a minimal amount of money, some fans got really excited, he didn't work out, the team called it a day and traded his salary. It didn't prevent the team from winning games, or prevent Aaron Brooks from becoming a good player. That about the worst case scenario for a low-priced Yao signing-- he doesn't work out and has to end his career--, and even in that worse case scenario, there was no "hostage situation" with Steve and won't be any "hostage situation" with Yao, except in the imagination of some fans. The fact that some fans can't get over the memory of the last 8 years, frankly, should be of no concern to the basketball operations staff.
I look at it this way, morey has been woefully unsuccessful at filling the position, might as well bring him back on the cheap if possible. Now of we could get deandre jordan, thats a different story.
[QOUTE] Quote: Originally Posted by Rockets2K If my team makes basketball moves based *solely* on the expectations of fans, Im finding a new team to follow. Sorry, I dont care what fans hopes and dreams are, I want the Rockets to make smart basketball decisions....and risking a minimum salary expenditure in the hopes that a 7 foot 6 backup center can be effective for more games of the season than he cant is a smart decision.[/QUOTE] The maximum size of an NBA teams roster is 15 players. The Max # of players dressing for a game is 12. Most teams only play a 10 man rotation anyway. Teams that carry the Max 15, always have 3 players on the injured/reserve list to call upon if needed. Teams will always have players that will not play or will ride the bench. We should keep Yao and pay as little for his rights that we can. I'll call it a loyalty factor thats good for both party's. I believe keeping Yao around will be a positive influence for the Rockets and players. It could be inspirational for the team and fans if he really does heal and play again some day. I have always heard Yao is a good teammate and not a problem in the locker room. Thats always a big plus. The history of Yao's work ethic (I believe) will continue and could also influence and inspire his teammates, especially the young guys but most importantly Hasheem Thabeet. Having Yao around this young guy can be nothing but positive and could push him and accelerate his development. zzpot puff puff
See the history of bigmen with foot problems ........Why don't you start with Sam Bowie....if you even know who he is.There was obvious downside risk and some of us wanted that managed by selling "high". When he came back and was throwing guys off him in the second half of the year....YES, 4-5 years ago. Of course because of his cash cow, "face of the franchise" status...and his contract..this was never going to happen.
OK, if they bring him back, then are you prepared for the moves Morey will have to make in the short term to contend if he stays healthy for awhile? It messes with a longer, more organic rebuild which I favor. Yes, DM has us postioned to go for it, but the downside risk for this organization is too high. If we make a move for now and he goes down then it changes everything.
You are suggesting the Rockets should have traded the most dominant Center in the league during the period that they were pushing hard for a Championship, which is downright stupid. What does Bowie have to do with this?
Morey doesn't "have to" do anything based on the health of a player signed to a small contract. If they are not "organically rebuilding"-- a.k.a. tanking for a high pick, it's not because of Yao's health. In fact, the Rockets don't have Yao under contract for next year and Yao is not healthy right now, and they are still pursuing the strategy they pursue. If Yao gets healthy for a while, I doubt they start giving away picks, Patterson and Kyle Lowry for old guys who only have a year or two before their expiration date or neglect player development. They haven't done so before and I doubt they do this right now knowing Yao's injury risk. A healthy Yao Ming in 2008 didn't prevent the Rockets from putting Aaron Brooks and Carl Landry into the rotation when they earned their spots. A healthy Yao Ming in 2009 didn't prevent the Rockets from trading their starting PG for Kyle Lowry. When they trade picks for a veteran, like what they did to get Ron Artest, it was a rational move and worked out pretty well (Donte Greene and Omri Casspi aren't exactly going to change this team's fortune right now). In fact, the only effect that a healthy Yao Ming would have on the Rockets is to make their record better, which, I guess, would hurt their draft position. And if we are talking 2012 draft position, the Rockets already traded that pick (lotto protected, of course). Any decrease in draft position and the value of that pick should be more than offset by increased perceived value of the players on the roster if the team wins more. The only way your "hostage" scenario works is if we begin by assuming the front office is stupid and short sighted. The evidence indicates that assumption is most likely incorrect. In the end, the only real complain people have for Yao's return is the protection of the fragile emotional state of certain fans, which is irrelevant to actual basketball decisions.
Say what, say what ?? So... given your belief (which I'm sure is completely logical to you) that a team should trade away the Best C in the league... I apply your logic; and the Magic should trade Howard and the Laker's should trade Bynum. Yes I did leave out Portland and Oden simply because Oden is not playing right now. The premise I'm using is yours; Yao should have been dealt 4-5 years ago...when he was the best C in the league. All I can do now is use another quote from your post: So many morons on CF, it is getting hard to read. ...........................................................................^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ You said it not me zzpot puff puff
To me this thread is indicative of what's wrong with the Rockets and their fans. It explains a lot about why this team is stuck where it is now. This isn't about the hurt feelings or disappointment of fans. This discussion is about everything that is ancillary to what's really important. It is not about doing what it takes to improve the team and become a contender. It is not about winning games and going deep into the playoffs. No, it's about taking yet another flyer on Yao Ming with the HOPE that this time he can somehow resurrect his game and career. Nowhere in this discussion is any explanation offered on how doing so will improve the Rockets' ability to compete with the likes of SA, Dallas, OKC or even NO - the teams in their division they have to beat in order to become relevant again. There cannot be any explanation because in this context none exists. Improvement is the one thing that should matter most of all to everyone here. However, this discussion is about everything but that because playing the Yao Ming lottery once again is not about improvement but rather wishing and hoping for a miracle to happen. I really like Yao. I admire his heart, his spirit and his attitude. But unfortunately, Yao has demonstrated time and time again that he simply cannot be counted upon to stay healthy long enough to be a factor in improving the Rockets' fortunes. To continue along this path is to continue to pretend that the failed Tmac-Yao plan can still be a viable blueprint for success. It is not. All this does is lead the Rockets down another path that will result in their falling farther behind their peers in the division and in the conference.
Indeed. "Organically rebuilding" is the best way to go through 100 years of basketball without contending. It's what you do when you have no other choice. For every team that manages to become a contender by "organically rebuilding" for a few years, there are easily 19 teams which manage to "organically rebuild" for years right back into mediocrity. Morey's computers are probably telling him that the chance for the Rockets to "organically rebuild" back into contention in the next 30 years is about 1/50th of the chance of Yao staying healthy for a whole year.
