I was trying to find that forum and during that search for the first time actually actively looked for islamists' forums...all I can say is wow. There are so many of them, and if you read that stuff, much of the stuff that gets posted here is tame. Unbelievable stuff. And I can only really read those which are in English...I bet if you search for Arabic language forums, it gets even worse. If people can stomach it, have a look at this forum: http://forums.islamicawakening.com/f18/ I couldn't make that stuff up if I tried. Sickening. I would not be surprised if some of the posters here roam forums like that as well.
That is truly nauseating. Islam needs to stamp that garbage out -- they're failing, and the reputation of the religion is going down the tubes because of it.
Frankly, I'm not going to wait around for all Muslims to suddenly stop terrorists with denouncements, all the while terrorists are murdering people left and right. The only way it will stop is when there is no one left who believes in the same ideological Islamic system that terrorists believe in. This means no more potential recruits. That's the only way. No amount of incarceration, public denouncement, movies, television shows, cartoons, nothing is going to change it until the number of people who buy into that mental framework is effectively ZERO. Do you feel public denouncements are helpful? Would it change your mind if for example you were shown that public denouncement of these actions statistically FAAAAAAR exceed public support of these actions? To put it more simply, how likely is it that there is any reaction other than more violence if these actions are scrutinized by more Muslims? I get the feeling you think the terrorists are logical and rational and harsh speeches will make them change their ways. Maybe I'm misreading you.
I hadn't heard that. Either way it doesn't validate the claim that most Islamist circles support Islamic extremist groups.
You said explicitly that you want Mohammed cartoonists to live in fear for the rest of their lives. How far removed is that from the same ideological islamic system of the person who actually carries out an attack? They would not live in fear if the threat was not real. You said explicitly that you do want them to live in fear for the rest of their lives, and that they deserve that. The difference is that this guy took action, while you just want to keep the fear alive.
I have time and time again denounced those murders as idiotic, wrong, and deserving of the worst punishment, its shameful act, and its an act that is not allowed in our religious teachings, so I do consider it also irresponsible reporting as well on the way it is reported and the way you reported it. once again you just choose to focus on these things in your rebuttals as quite a few times some people have told you off and waited for your responses only for you to change or focus on something else, I think everyone is weary of your one sided reporting and had you opened that up you would not have the reputation that you have.
I reported this? What exactly do you consider irresponsible about reporting this suicide attack in the name of islam? What exactly? showtang, do you visit any islamic forums? Can you post a link? Thanks.
I found an old link, but they probably had to move the forum. If you know it, I'd appreciate it. Thanks. Here are some of the quotes by Mathloom. He did try to put in some qualifiers and put a lot of words around it and will probably whine that his quotes were taken out of context, but there they are. There are no qualifiers and words that can excuse this kind of thinking. The difference between him and the guy who tried to kill people in Stockholm is that that guy took action. But Mathloom wants the fear to exist, and he knows that the fear can only exist if there is a realistic threat of action. So how far is he really removed from the suicide bomber's ideology? He is a wolf in sheep's clothing. Anything "reasonable" he says here in other posts, and there are some things that sound perfectly intelligent and reasonable, needs to be seen in the light of these statements, which he never retracted. http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showpost.php?p=5002615&postcount=32 http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showpost.php?p=5014979&postcount=205 http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showpost.php?p=5020825&postcount=252
I know what you mean man... i got buddies in my platoon(Marine Corp) and they talk about how they would rather nuke the entire middle east... They might be terrorists but they still are my buddies.
You got "buddies" who would nuke the entire middle east? LOL, just tell us how you really feel. Don't worry there have been a few posters here who have already stated they would love to see the ME nuked. ATW didn't you state this once, long time ago when your moniker was SirJackieCharles!? Sorry, I think it was only just Mecca you specifically wanted targeted, riight?
I wonder which support is higher: Muslims' support for terrorist groups, or US citizen support for state-sanctioned actions against Middle Eastern countries and the religion of Islam. If we're talking about indirect support, wouldn't any American who voted for Bush be supporting destroying other countries and killing in numbers that dwarf 9/11?
i think 90% of the of the United States southern population said at one point in 10 years they would like to nuke the middle east. Therefore 90% of the south in the states are terrorists.
I do think public denouncements would help a lot, as well as a full court press of a marketing campaign. Look at the anti-racism campaign that European soccer did -- you saw it everywhere. Yes, there will be extremists out there that likely would not be "converted" to become a non-terrorist. BUT, let me ask you this -- could you convince a more moderate Muslim who might know about the terrorists' plans to come forward and alert the authorities, when they otherwise might have taken the easy way out and said nothing? It's convincing the folks on the margin that could make a big difference.
you would be surprised how many moderate muslims have no clue about any terrorist activities or plans... its pretty sad that you would be surprised about it though.