I think where you hit the nail on the head is his lack of upside. NBA GM's basically started drolling over the kid when he was 18 and showing flashes of brilliance. But he's been playing professionally now for five years and we have yet to see an improvement in his shooting or a commitment to being in the gym and bulking up. I certainly don't see anything in his game that justifies a top five pick. His success will be determined on how much work he puts in and right now it seems like he's satisfied with his own hype.
Obviously you have not seen my location, so another fail. I think you are the one here confusing Rockets fans inventing false quotes and showing interested stats. Don't you talk about his 40% from 3 of last year in ACB league -35'8% in Euroleague-? About his 43% of 08-09 season? Sure it's better to take his career %s including the seasons where he was 15-16-17 years old... He's obviously not a great shooter, but also is obvious that he's on a slump in this early season. Do we judge Chase shooting abilities based on his current %s? 23'2% from 3 point land, what a TERRIBLE shooter he is. Your a funny guy.
You don't appear to be a serious poster. I am trying to have a serious discussion here about how overrated Rubio is by Rockets fans. Your comments seem silly.
i don't think you understand how much upside rubio has, the guy was playing with people in their mid 20's when he was just a teen, he started playing in the euro league when he was 14! i've seen him a lot, and his stats are just going to continue to improve, i think people seem to forget how young he is, y'all think he is a veteran and he is about to decline, but he just turned 20, so chill out. the guy is just about to flourish, i mean look at nash, the guy is about to hit 40 and no signs of declining. When rubio comes to the nba, he will succeed, because he will get accustomed to the nba, his court vision is amazing, and is only going to get better, coaches and staff are better in the nba, so he will get his shot percentage up, i mean d-rose improved his shot, why can't rubio. don't underestimate how much training camps and summer camps in nba can affect a player, with the right team, rubio will easily be a premier pg in this league. SERIOUSLY, THE GUY IS ONLY F'IN 20 YEARS OLD.
How so, do you understand what I mean by saying that PGs need better players around them? That good PGs are better when surrounded by finishers etc. Rubio is an excellent PG with better players, and has shown fantastic passing instincts, there is a reason that NBA coaches and GMs like him (including our own GM), because his game transitions very well to the NBA. I know you do not agree, but I don't think watching Euroball or trying to extrapolate play from that using statistics is really that usefull. Got to watch for more than that. DD
Rubio did not play in the Euroleague until he was age 16. He most definitely did not play in the Euroleague at age 14. The argument can also be made that he has barely improved since then. Rubio was ahead of the curve big time for his peer group back then. However, every year his peer group improves more than he does and he is now one of the better players in Europe in his age group. Rubio's developmental curve came earlier than other players. You cannot just say that because he is 20 that he will exponentially improve. It does not work that way. Also, he is not similar to Nash. Nash might be the best shooter in NBA history and he certainly is at the very least, one of the best. Rubio is probably the worst shooting guard in the Euroleague. There is no reason to compare Rubio to Nash. Also, the coaching in the Euroleague is at an extremely high level. Rubio is getting a very high level of coaching. NBA coaching is not going to magically improve him.
You obviously should not be commenting when you don't watch his games in the Euroleague. Barca is also the same team that beat the Lakers, playing the worst game Barca played in about 2 years up until that point. For you to keep saying that he does not play with any good or talented players is complete nonsense. You claim he does not play with any finishers? Unbelievable. N'Dong and Vazquez are unbelievable dunkers and finishers. Ingles is a great dunker. Lakovic is a great shooter. Navarro is one of the best shooters on the planet. Lorbek has an outstanding post game. Vazquez, Ingles, Grimau are excellent athletes and on and on. Very few NBA teams would have the level of "finishers" that Barca has. The Rockets most certainly don't have close to the level of finishers and shooters that Barca has. Again, if Morey really thinks Rubio is so great then he is a very mediocre GM.
first of all, i was not comparing rubio to nash, just age, thats why i said, the man can have years to improve, and you must be joking if you think the euroleague has a high level of coaching compared to the nba, the nba has the best coaching staffs, best trainers, i mean most basketball teams in the nba have basketball legends as trainers and assistants. how do you think players improve, how do you think Rose got a shot this offseason? because the nba has the best of the best. that's just how it is, and if you dont believe that, your a fool. rubio will come to nba, and he will improve even more drastically. he has always been ahead for his age, and he will continue to be. i dont think you saw the olympics, his latest display of how good he is. i watched every spain game, the man has amazing court vision, its not all about stats, he makes the plays, he spreads the floor, and he is just getting started.
Are you seriously trying to compare a preseason game against the Lakers to say the Euroleague could compete with the NBA? That is a joke, right? It is like a team in the premier ship playing someone in the MLS, sometimes the MLS will get lucky and win, but over the course of a season, they would get crushed....same thing fore Barca. DD
I think A Kar is actually the GM for Rubio's current team trying to make sure he doesn't leave by planting disinformation. While I appreciate some of the insight A Kar has provided, the only poster in this thread who seems to be showing an observable bias is him.
I take back anything positive I may have said about A Kar earlier in this thread. While I remain completely unimpressed with Rubio, its becoming increasingly apparent that A Kar is trolling. BTW, this is a serious post, from a serious poster.
Just for perspective, A Kar is the V-Span nut job who claimed both Sam Fisher and I were really Jeff Van Gundy keeping him down (true story!). You may remember him as Rockets Dynasty, RocketsBlastOff, apollo, KillBillSpana and OHMSS. He has despised Rubio since the beginning and still believes V-Span is an NBA superstar. No matter what utimately happens with Rubio, I'd take his "analysis" with a few thousand grains of salt.
OP just got served. And I don't get any 'homer' vibe from Anchel's posts - seems like he was just stating the facts.
Coaching in the Euroleague is generally at a very high level. Especially in such an enormously wealthy club as Barca. The coaching in such huge clubs like that is top notch and your statement that Rubio will magically get much better simply because he has an NBA coach is complete nonsense. So, you are basing Rubio's level on a couple of games and not his last 4 years of work in Euroleague? The Olympics was 2 years ago. That is hardly his "latest display of how good he is". He does not spread the floor as you claim either. He is probably the worst shooting guard in the Euroleague. The opposition leaves him wide open and dares him to shoot the ball and he usually misses if he does try to shoot. Being a terrible shooter with limited shooting range does equate to spreading the floor.
