so when I ask questions I am a loon? those were serious questions.. how can i possibly debate someone who won't share their stance?
There is no point in trying to have an honest debate with someone not grounded in reality In the interest of civility: have a good day Pops
yet again you lie, boy when will you ever learn GW appointed at least 25 czars who did not require/weren't confirmed by the senate only eight are Obama-appointed, unconfirmed, brand new czars. http://tinyurl.com/yea4pmp
ok well here is an article concerning the Emergency takeover of the internet.. in the article you will find a link to the actual bill http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-10320096-38.html Green Jobs Czar Van Jones- admitted communist Cass Sunstein- Regulations Czar (appointee).. god knows what this guy is but he believes that animals should be able to sue people, and that it should be illegal to eat meat. Kevin Jennings- Creator of GLSEN and noted homosexual propogandist.. but don't worry he is just appointed to Deputy Assistant Secretary of Education hmm I wonder what kind of education reform he will seek? Jeremiah Wright- not appointed to any positions, but is about as radical left wing as it gets. Obama knew his stance and continued going to his church even though it spewed racist filth. If I went to a church that was spewing racism and anti-americanism I wouldn't go.. infact I wouldn't go to a church that I didn't believe what they taught.. see where I'm going with this? however Obama was part of this mans congregation for 20 years... did he just happen to miss all the days wright was spewing this filth? just curious. So what part of this post isn't true or factual? you call it bs.. what part of this post is bs?
Yep you have left reality. A noted homosexual propogandist? HAHAHAHAHAHA. There is no such thing. Nobody but you could even define what that means. GLSEN isn't radical. The Van Jones stuff is bogus and hilarious. Wright rarely spewed anything racist at all. The Wright stuff is largely a big mess over almost nothing. Wright talked craziness, not really racist stuff. Cass Sunstein has never proposed legislation making it illegal to eat meat, or allowing animals to sue anyone. What a joke.
well boy obviously you can't read.. I said 5 NEW czars that were uncomfirmed.. the rest were carry over positions from previous administrations. oh and here is the list of obama czars and their necessity for senat confirmation. .. enjoy http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...9/16/GR2009091600074.html?sid=ST2009091501436 note the line that says Some of the "czar" positions existed under previous presidents and require Senate confirmation.
STOP LYING OR LEARN HOW TO COUNT 1) health IT czar National Coordinator for Health Information Technology, Department of Health and Human Services Brailer, David J.[79] 2004–2006 (New position), Exec order, appointed by Sec. of HHS Bush, George W. 2) bioethics czar Advisor to the President, Chairman of The President's Council on Bioethics Kass, Leon[17] 2001–2005 (New position), Exec order, President appointed Bush, George W. 3) faith-based czar, faith czar Director, White House Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives DiIulio, John[62] 2001–2002 (New position), Exec order, President appointed Bush, George W. 4) homeland security czar Assistant to the President for Homeland Security and Counterterrorism Ridge, Tom[80] 2001–2002 (New position), Exec Order, President appointed Bush, George W. 5) bird flu czar Assistant Secretary of Health and Human Services, Advisor to the President for Public Health Emergency Preparedness Simonson, Stewart[18] 2004–2006 (New position), President appointed Bush, George W. 6) cyber security czar, cyber czar Special Advisor to the President on Cybersecurity, Office of Management and Budget (OMB) Clarke, Richard A.[34] 2001 Oct–2003 Feb (New position), President appointed Bush, George W. 7) terrorism czar, counterterrorism czar National Director for Combating Terrorism, Deputy National Security Advisor Downing, Wayne[125] 2001 Nov–2002 Jun (New position), President appointed Bush, George W. 8) cyber security czar, cyber czar Director, National Cyber Security Center Beckstrom, Rod[35] 2008–2009 (New position), Presidential directive, President appointed Bush, George W.
Van Jones stuff so bogus Obama forced him to resign? Sunstein isn't in the position to propose legislation, that doesn't mean it's not what he believes. oh and here is a video of Wright, not racist huh? your an idiot if you really believe that. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jc2FCJ7zWEQ&feature=related
don't have time to argue daughter has a dr appointment.. she better go now since she won't get a chance later if we go social... however Terrorism Czar was held over from clinton.... Richard A. Clarke was his Terrorism Czar... check your facts before you dispute mine.
Greeks already haz national health care system. EDIT: Oh yeah I forgot, since you are pretending to be a Decorated Croatian Helicopter Pilot in the US military, you would be seeing a government doctor anyway under your government run TRICARE plan for all military & their dependents.
I'm viewing this through whatever glasses Biden is viewing it through. He is claiming credit, the question is whether that credit rightly goes to the previous administration. It does not matter that Bush didn't accomplish his goals in Iraq. That isn't the question before us. You're changing the subject. The question is whether the achievement referred to by Biden should be credited to the Obama administration or the Bush administration, and we're operating under the assumption that that achievement is getting the troops out. Trying to "add perspective" only changes the subject so that you can give an answer you like better. If you'd like to do that because you find the topic more interesting or important, go ahead, but make sure you acknowledge the original point in question first.
Clark: National coordinator for security, infrastructure protection and counter-terrorism, member of National Security Council, cabinet level position Downing: National Director for Combating Terrorism, Deputy National Security Advisor technically two different positions under the same media czar name here's one more for you 9) reading czar President's Advisor on Reading First Initiative, Member of the President's Commission on Excellence in Special Education Lyon, G. Reid[111] 2001–2005 President appointed Bush, George W. PopRocks (LIAR OR CANNOT COUNT): 5 FACTS: 8 (at the minimum)
I'm not changing the subject, how can you give bush credit when he maybe accomplished 1 of 5 of his goals? that's ridiculous. he doesn't get credit for making things so bad, and then bringing it back to a decent level. that's been my point from the beginning edit: go back and read post #4
You still must give credit for the 1 thing. I don't know what is so difficult about that. If you want to make a separate point that the 1 thing pales in comparison to the 4 failures, go ahead, but you still must give credit for the 1 thing if it is deserved. And you are changing the subject, because the thread, Biden's comment and basso's post you responded to were all talking only about just that 1 thing. Bringing up the other 4 is a way to change the subject to avoid giving credit to the Bush administration for that 1 thing.
What's the point of this post? Are you intentionally misconstruing my point? Do you think I'm saying that it doesn't matter at all? Have you even been reading my posts in this thread where I have commented several times on my agreement with you on the cluster**** that is the Iraq War? Maybe I'm saying that it doesn't matter within the specific context of the question at hand. Wouldn't that make a little more sense? The conversation I entered started with you quoting basso and responding to him. But my comments apply regardless. Your post #4 in the thread attempts to change the subject, does it not? I'm not saying there is anything wrong with that, you make a valid point there, but it is still changing the subject without acknowledging the real question at hand.
dude, my post in #4 directly address the comments by the original poster. go back and read the thread. his point is that biden and obama opposed the surge, they can't take credit for ending this thing peacefully. this has been a pet peeve of mine since before the obama presidency, these guys act like they have done everything right because of the surge when they screwed this war up from the beginning. and by beginning, i'm not referring to the point that we should have never been there. I'm not changing any subject, just because you jumped in late. obama and biden did not have the same responsiblity to this war as senators as they do as executives. so comparing what they did as senators to what bush did is a moot point for me anyway. they were left with a war that accomplished nothing but ousting a dictator, and they are trying to make the best of the situation
I read the OP and I read your response and I have no idea how you can claim you are doing anything other than change the subject. You're addressing the OP with a point that is different from the OP's. And again, that's fine. Nobody says you can't bring up a tangential point if you so desire. But to claim you're not changing the subject is absurd to me. But I guess we don't need to hash this out any further. The points I made in post #73 still stand. I think I was right about you talking about something different than I (and basso and the OP) are talking about. I'm just not sure you see that.
i'm responding directly to this quote in the first post what don't you understand, he's giving bush credit for I don't know what because of the surge, and doesn't want to give credit to biden and obama because the opposed the surge my first post was about the surge. what don't you understand
