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[failure to learn] Bush okays Dubai military deal

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by nyquil82, Apr 28, 2006.

  1. nyquil82

    nyquil82 Member

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    I was actually in support for the port deal, but thought it was an idiotic political move because built up terror fears would work against the understanding of the deal. You would think they wouldn't make the same mistake, which I think was a catalyst in losing some of their base, but then they've never been really good at learning from mistakes. Looking forward to watching the ensuing poopstorm.


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    http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/28/washington/28dubai.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

    Bush Set to Approve Takeover of 9 Military Plants by Dubai

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    By JIM RUTENBERG and DAVID E. SANGER
    Published: April 28, 2006

    WASHINGTON, April 27 — President Bush is expected on Friday to announce his approval of a deal under which a Dubai-owned company would take control of nine plants in the United States that manufacture parts for American military vehicles and aircraft, say two administration officials familiar with the terms of the deal.

    The officials, who were granted anonymity so they could speak freely about something the president had not yet announced, said that the final details had not yet been set and that Mr. Bush might put conditions on the transaction to keep military technology in the United States.

    But his action is almost certain to attract scrutiny in Congress, because of the political furor that erupted over the administration's approval of a deal earlier this spring that would have given another Dubai-owned company, Dubai Ports World, leases to operate several American port terminals through its acquisition of a British company, the Peninsular and Oriental Steam Navigation Company.

    Dubai Ports agreed to drop the port deal after it became clear that Republicans were abandoning Mr. Bush and opposing the takeover.

    In this case, the plants in question are owned by Doncasters Group Ltd., a British company that is being purchased for $1.2 billion from the Royal Bank of Scotland Group by Dubai International Capital, which is owned by the United Arab Emirate government.

    Because the plants make turbine blades for tanks and aircraft, the deal was reviewed by the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States, which sent it on to Mr. Bush himself for a decision, a step used only when the potential security risks or political considerations are particularly acute.

    Administration officials alerted Congress that the deal would go through the committee's review process in an effort to head off the kind of public debate that surrounded the ports deal.

    Opponents of the ports transactions argued that the terrorists involved in the Sept. 11 attacks had filtered money through the United Arab Emirates, where Dubai is the major shipping center. Mr. Bush argued that blocking the deal would have sent the wrong message to a friendly Arab state. His support, however, was not enough to quell the political furor.

    One official who was briefed on the Doncasters transaction said there would be provisions in the agreement protecting American military secrets. But it was unclear whether that would satisfy Congressional objections. With nine Doncasters plants in Georgia and Connecticut making parts for American military contractors, the prospect of a takeover by the Dubai company has already caused nervousness among some lawmakers.

    Representative John Barrow, Democrat of Georgia, likened the Doncasters deal to "outsourcing" part of the nation's industrial-military complex.

    But Representative Peter T. King, Republican of New York, the chairman of the House Committee on Homeland Security and one of the foremost critics of the ports deal, said on Thursday that he would not necessarily have a problem this time around, in large part because the White House had given the deal a thorough review.

    "It's a significant improvement over what happened before," Mr. King said. "It's been much more thorough, much more detailed."

    A senior Republican Congressional aide who was granted anonymity because he was not authorized to talk about the matter, said he did not believe the president's approval of the deal would cause quite the same stir as the ports deal.
     
  2. insane man

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    i dont have a problem with the proposal. i think dubai is everything the US govt would want/hope/pray the middle east to be. however politically i just dont see how they can do this again. and this time its not just ports.
     
  3. ChrisBosh

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    They are not a democracy. The people need to be liberated.
     
  4. Saint Louis

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    Send in the Mexicans!!!!!!!!!
     
  5. CreepyFloyd

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    Let's brace ourselves for another round of anti-arab racism, xenophobia, and hysteria
     
  6. mc mark

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    You can blame Jr for that.
     
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    No anti-anything bias but I think the U.S. Government should contract with U.S. companies.

    There is enough corporate out-sourcing etc... The U.S. Government should only contract with American companies.
     
  8. nyquil82

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    This is the major problem with capitalism and globalization, do we force corporations to use only US companies for manufacturing, causing goods to skyrocket, or do we keep them cheaper and cost effective by outsourcing them to other countries and maintain competition?

    On the micro level, what if we forced consumers to only drive American cars?
     
  9. KingCheetah

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    I'm not going to get into the whole right or wrong thing, but politically this just seems moronic after the port deal backlash. Particularly after the reaction from his own party.
     
  10. Invisible Fan

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    Bush has faired better on second chances. This deal will probably go through.

    American cars would remain ****ty in comparative quality. All this fear of GM and Ford withering away is the product of a market running its course.

    It's possible that the US won't recover in the car biz, but I'll place my bet on the other chance, that new American companies will reinvent the industry.
     
  11. Sishir Chang

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    Yeah like Halliburton.
     
  12. Deckard

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    No question about it. You have to wonder what's going on in Junior's head. Republican Congressmen (and women) must be stunned. As a Democrat looking towards the November elections, I think it's wonderful. As an American, I have to wonder what in the hell is going on in the White House.

    This is so politically stupid, it's scary.



    Keep D&D Civil.
     
  13. bigtexxx

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    you could, if you're ignorant.
     
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