Bingo. It's pretty much up to the player as to where he wants to be. Signing for the minimum would be most beneficial to their new team, and would stick their old team with the remaining bill. Can anyone see a reason as to why a player would choose 1 team over another because they offered more money?
I don't want any of those guys. Swift, Finley, and Antonio Daniels! Plus a first round draft pick..Spanoulis and Badiane developing!
My God! We could waive our whole bench and replace them with former all-stars at 1 mil a pop! We could have: A Houston, E Jones, C Webb, R LaFrentz, T Ratleff all starting or coming off the bench + Draftees and/or FA's. Conceivably we could get away with this could we not?
I don't really know, but New York did pay Mutombo significantly more than the minimum after New Jersey bought him out. This could be an important distinction- buyout dollars are completely free. And I should say, it is possible since this is a new addition to the CBA that players cut under this rule do get the money from the original contract plus whatever else they can get. If this is the case, players should be begging to be cut- it's free money!
One name that sounds interesting is Al Harrington. This guy is still relatively young, has a decent contract, and is a good rebounder. If Atlanta takes Marvin Williams, as expected, Harrington is expendable. We might be able to make a trade sending Clarence Weatherspoon (expiring deal) and the #24 pick for Harrington. Otherwise, if they want a player back, we might be able to get them to take David Wesley and the #24. Sounds like a pretty even trade to me.
Theo Ratliff He'll average 5 blocks a game the first week, then ride the IL for December through March. I'd rather have Cato back than Ratliff. But either way, we're talking about an offensive liability - and a SLOW one at that. I thought we wanted to get quicker and younger in the offseason?
The rule is that the team that waives the player, can't resign them once they're waived. For example, Dallas can't resign Finley once they waive him
I wonder what the waiver deadline is? Since the new CBA won't be complete until July 22nd then maybe sometime like Aug 1st or Aug 15th.
You can always waive players I thought. They still count against your cap and you still have to pay them for the length of their contract. Are you confusing the one-time luxury-tax waive with a regular negotiated waive? Or maybe I am the one confused . I thought a guaranteed contract only meant you had to pay them and they count against your cap. See Matt Maloney , he quit playing several years ago and we just quit paying him last year.
I meant that the new "one time" rule states that teams who are in luxury tax territory can only waive one player. For example New York can't waive both Penny and Houston and have them both come off of their salary cap. Only one player can come off the books.
Then we could, theoretically, sign those players I listed since it was suggested that they would be waived from separate teams, No? p.s. Remember that the team waiving the player will continue to pay him and take the hit on their cap not us. We would only take a 1mil, if that is what we pay them, hit for each. Could be a potential bonanza for the Rox, if of course they all want to come here.
Yes, you are right. I thought that you said that we could waive our entire bench because of the new rule. Even though we could waive multiple players, it's unlikely because they would be on the books (cap) and we would have to pay them. So, if you have to pay a player and that player's salary is on the books (Moochie, Spon etc) why would you waive them? You don't get salary cap relief and you pay their salary. The only way you would waive a player who will remain on the books, would be to open up a roster spot. However, the new CBA allows up to 15 players on one team with 12 being active. So, players who will be waived this summer will be waived as a result of the new "one time" exception (Finley, Houston)
This new CBA deal is screwed up. Lets say if i am a player in a free agency and i am getting a max from ATL. I would take the max and play some sorry ass basketball for 2 yrs and make them feel like they made a mistake and they will waive me. After that i can sign with a team that can contend and help myself win a championship.
1) ATL doesn't have any max players. 2) ATL is nowhere near the Luxury Tax. 3) Summer 2005 is the only time in the new CBA a player can be waived for LTax reasons. 4) Teams' were able to waive players in prior CBA's. 5) Under the old CBA, any waived player was available to all others teams for a period of 48 hours before they became unrestricted. There's just as much chance the player in your scenario ends up on a Lottery bound team as a Playoff bound team.
Let me explain my reasoning one more time. We have a Vin Baker; we waive him and sign C. Webber for $X; we now have C. Webber on our bench instead of Baker. It won't be free upgrade, but it is close. Now cut some more guys like Mooch, Spoon, Wesley and Ward and replace with A Houston, E Jones, R LaFrentz, or T Ratleff. There probably won't be any PG's available in this scenario, but we do solve our PF and swingman problems in Spades. We may trade some of the expiring contracts instead of waiving them. Of course, this whole scenario is predicated on the concept that all these folks want ot sign with Houston!
How are you going to sign CWebb, Allan Houston, Raef LaFrentz, and Theo Ratliffe with one $5m MLE and a handful of vet minimums?
