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Dallas cops shot during protest in Dallas.

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  1. MojoMan

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    This pretty well nails it:

    And now here we are, right before an election again, and just as predicted above, here we go again, right on time.
     
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  2. bigtexxx

    bigtexxx Contributing Member

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    ^^

    Nailed it. It was clear why Obama piped in during the early stages of the Trayvon incident - it was to rile up Florida black voters.

    "If I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon..."
     
  3. NewRoxFan

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    "... and all of a sudden, there is a racial problem."

    Yup, the writer above certainly nails it. Because certainly there is no "racial problem" otherwise.

    Whenever I want to know how black people feel, I always go to breitbart...
    :rolleyes:
     
  4. bigtexxx

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    Honest question - when blacks comprise roughly 12-13% of the population, yet committed over half the murders in this country from 1980-2008 (see page 12 of this government study http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf), should there be reason for additional concern from police?
     
  5. dback816

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    This is the part where people tell you it's not about race, it's all due to economic reasons.

    And then those same people will go to another thread and claim that when the police or the justice system are being unfair to a black individual, it's not because of economic reasons, it's all about race
     
  6. ubigred

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    Preach!

    All about race.
     
  7. MojoMan

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    Except that article is not from Brietbart, it is from CNN.
     
  8. Buck Turgidson

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    A cousin of mine who works for me now was a swift boater for 3 tours back in the day, his weapon on the boat when things went south was the belt fed automatic grenade launcher. He's said it was damn scary what that thing could do to a treeline or structure, especially with some of the less-friendly rounds they had. He got to shoot it a lot just for kicks though, they had ammo check when they got back from a patrol and were expected to have used X-amount of their ammo, so on quiet days they'd go out into the delta, find an old shipwreck and just blow the hell out of it.
     
  9. Ottomaton

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    Probably wasting time with nuance, but here goes:

    I am lilly white and I have been disproportionately harassed by Police in black neighborhoods over when I'm minding my business in "whiter" neighborhoods.

    I would argue that when it comes to Police, it's not as easy as separating things into rich vs poor or white vs black. The human brain is fundamentally a reductionist pattern recognition machine. You comprehend the world by breaking things down into patterns and making assumptions.

    When police see an adult black man who isn't wearing a Brooks Brothers suit their brains work the way they are designed. They immediately assign them to the category, "poor". They immediately assign them to the categories, "potential criminal" and "possibly violent". They immediately assign them to all sorts of categories that they don't assign white people to unless they display outward signs of living in a trailer park, like missing front teeth or a meth pipe in their hands. Those assigned categories completely alter their interactions with those people.

    So poor and black are categories that are intrinsically linked in the police officer's middle class white minds.

    If you don't think you do this, go to England and look at the dirt poor white Housing Estate types in a city like Manchester. They are every bit in the same boat as poor black people in the US in terms of crime and poverty, but they don't set off the threat radar because they don't activate the same cues that people in the USA are accustomed to look for. In the USA you can pick out people from a crowd and make a good estimate of economic status in largest part by starting with race. When everybody is white, and some of the secondary clues like dress and accent become unfamiliar, ability to pidgin hole someone goes way down. You then have to deal with each person as a result of the way they behave, though some cues like the snooty upper class Eaton accent are familiar enough to people of the US.

    In the USA we are supposed to be a class free society, but black people (and really everybody) are not treated as individuals by the police but as a class in large part based on skin color. The chances that any one person that a cop interacts with is a murderer, be they white or black, is vanishingly small.

    I understand why police do what they do in categorizing people. Its the way the human brain is designed to work, and is therefore the most natural way to approach things. But in the USA, we are innocent until proven guilty. All law abiding black men shouldn't have do deal with automatically being categorized as a threat because one out of tens of thousand or hundreds of thousands encountered is a murderer.

    The big problem with saying murder is a black problem as opposed to the interlinked economic problem is that is indicates a genetic fault. When murder is a "black problem" it is because they are genetically inferior [insert racial epithet]. When murder is an economic problem, it is functionally a problem of circumstance.

    When it comes to behavior of police, blackness is the issue because that is the cue that the police first use to start their pattern recognition machine's categorization of potential threat level, irrespective of whether the black man is Jeffrey Dahmer or MLK on the inside.

    So economic status is a trait that results in internal cognitive stressors that govern behavior, while skin color is an external trait that may be somewhat correlated with economic status, but is external, and greatly colors interactions with police, irrespective of the internal traits of the individual.

    Make a white person's skin black and he won't start killing people, but he will suddenly be treated by police as though he would. Make a rich person poor and the inverse is true. He is much more likely to end up doing something desperate, but as long as he continues to act look and speak like an investment banker, police will bend over backwards being deferential.

    Also, I'm not sure if you've noticed, but what you guys label "black culture" seems to be pretty popular with whites and Hispanics, so long as they are sufficiently economically challenged. Go to that housing estate in England, and you'll see a whole lot more white wannabe gangstas than black.
     
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  10. Severe Rockets Fan

    Severe Rockets Fan Takin it one stage at a time...

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    It appears that way more and more...nothing is ever their fault it seems. Apparently there is nothing wrong with black culture at all according to them...it's everyone else.
     
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    Lot's of questions here.

    What the f is Clinton talking about here? "White people"? Wasn't it a "chubby Chinese (yellow/east-Asian)" who killed the one dude in Minnesota? And furthermore, what the hell do "white people" have to do with the Orlando nightclub shooting?

    Honest question: what is she on?

    <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/tsd7ad2JJak?start=277" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
     
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  12. Anticope

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    TL;DR version:

    It's the fault of black people, the media and Democrats. Why can't we all just vote Republican and get along?
     
  13. Bobbythegreat

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    That's incredibly, mind-numbingly stupid LOL only you could have said it. Of course this comes from the same person that spent time trying to talk about how great a terrorist leader was just previous to this simply because she was a black terrorist leader so it's not really a shock anymore when you say stupid things like this.

    Sorry kiddo, the Black Panthers were a racist hate group and nothing positive that they ever did changes that. The KKK could start a children's hospital and they'd still be a racist hate group full of scumbags.
     
  14. durvasa

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    It make sense in the context of understanding where BLM is coming from. Mentioning the Florida shooting, however, seems like she was getting her talking points mixed up.
     
  15. DaDakota

    DaDakota If you want to know, just ask!

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    Seriously? Now it is race that is the reason that republicans can't win? Maybe if they took responsibility and stopped blaming others they could see their party has been hijacked by the religious right which is in major decline across the country, you hitch your wagon to a declining philosophy this is what you get.

    It is not race, it is the lack of integrity to stand up for the choices you made.

    DD
     
  16. Bobbythegreat

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    Trump is and has always been the ONLY reason they won't win.
     
  17. durvasa

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    I must say, your perspective and depth of thinking looks to be really shallow here, if you can't or are unwilling to distinguish Black Panthers, a group fighting for racial equality and justice in a time when blacks clearly didn't have it, from the KKK, a group intent on preventing that to uphold white superiority/dominance.

    We can disagree with some of the Panthers' militant tactics, but their cause was a righteous one. Are you prepared to say the same about the KKK?
     
  18. NewRoxFan

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    The guy quoted is a columnist from Breitbart (note correct spelling). Heh... clearly you don't even read the garbage you post...

     
  19. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    Not sure of the current numbers (especially after the Dallas killings), but in mid-May there had been 17 police officers shot and killed in 2016. White men killed 12 of them. Should there be additional concern from police?
     
  20. bigtexxx

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    just lol -- Trump is the "religious right"? Stick to the GARM
     

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