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HollaIFyaHEMI 02-02-2012 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by whathappened (Post 6600251)
what was the spread for this game? maybe they didn't want to anger vegas
Rockets to win +190
Spread HOU +5.5

rocketsjudoka 02-02-2012 09:23 AM
'Rockets get Screwed by Refs'

That should be a permanently stickied thread in the GARM

Rocketman95 02-02-2012 09:49 AM
Repped durvasa.

heypartner 02-02-2012 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by thetatomatis (Post 6600076)
You would think that. However even Lowry does not get calls in his most productive year. A complete turn around of free throws actually reeks of officials being instructed personally on certain players and teams to watch out for.
This has been said before in other threads. When Martin doesn't get calls, then we don't get into the penalty each quarter as fast, so everyone's FTAs go down.

BleedRocketsRed 02-02-2012 09:59 AM
The play which made me furious was the Parker tripping Lowry bumping into Splitter standing in the circle somehow being an offensive foul.

That convinced me that the refs put a hefty bet on the Spurs.

DaDakota 02-02-2012 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by durvasa (Post 6600401)
Here's what the official rule book says on charge/block calls:



It comes down to how we interpret "establish defensive position". Does the defender have to be stationary? I think there is mixed opinion on this, but my understanding is that the defender does not have to be literally stationary. He is allowed to slide so long as he is not moving towards the offensive player. For example, if the angle at which the defender is sliding is perpendicular to the direction that the offensive player is taking, it can not be said that the defender is gaining an advantage. He's maintaining his defensive position relative to the offensive player. Thus, if the offensive player slams into him, that is technically a charge.
Exactly - right - thanks for pointing this out. The myth of being set has been busted.

Now the Rockets on the other hand are trying to game the refs, while the spurs are trying to make buckets and game the refs at the same time.

Both Lee and Lowry bulled into the paint late with no hope of trying to make a shot, they were just hoping for a call.

When you are relying on the referees to make a call, you are NOT playing baksetball, you are trying to cheat the system.

Stop trying to game the refs, and start trying to play the game of basketball, and make buckets....because there are always nights when the refs are not going to fall for that BS, and you need to make shots.

DD

Prince 02-02-2012 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by durvasa (Post 6600376)
They had the two best and most experienced players on the floor, both of whom are accustomed to taking over much bigger games than this one. How is that not a huge advantage?
We beat them before with Duncan and Parker playing.

BleedRocketsRed 02-02-2012 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by DaDakota (Post 6600485)
Both Lee and Lowry bulled into the paint late with no hope of trying to make a shot, they were just hoping for a call.

When you are relying on the referees to make a call, you are NOT playing baksetball, you are trying to cheat the system.

DD

Lowry was tripped into a player standing in the restricted area idiot.

heypartner 02-02-2012 10:21 AM
When players are on the move, the simple way to view "being set" is the same as a cornerback vs a wide receiver. Both offensive and defensive players have a right to the space that they occupy -- moving or not. The offensive player also has right to the path he is taking. The defender cannot jump into his path without first getting set. Likewise, the offensive player cannot change directions to bull over the defensive player...this also applies to backpedaling defenders.

That said, this is only applies to the primary defender. A secondary defender always has to be set.

durvasa 02-02-2012 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Prince (Post 6600490)
We beat them before with Duncan and Parker playing.
Why does that matter? I was commenting on what happened in this game. Duncan and Parker made things happen for them, and our guys weren't good enough to match that in the second half.

BHannes2BHonest 02-02-2012 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by knote32 (Post 6600092)
I thought the game was well called.

The only non-whistle I have issue with was Dragic getting slapped in the face. Everything else was pretty damn close...

Lowry and Lee were both completely out of control, imo.
You obviously didnt watch the same game as the rest of us.... lowry was tripped = why he was "outta control.... and Lee was blocked = why he was outta control.... Clutch missed a couple other calls in that video.... worst officiated game I've seen in years....

No wonder Lowry throws basketballs at officials-

Prince 02-02-2012 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by durvasa (Post 6600517)
Why does that matter? I was commenting on what happened in this game. Duncan and Parker made things happen for them, and our guys weren't good enough to match that in the second half.
well that sounds better than this...

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Ultimately, the Spurs won mostly because they have Parker&Duncan and we don't.

DaDakota 02-02-2012 11:24 AM
1:32 - Lowry wasn't tripped, he stepped right over that, and jumped into the guy, come on.....these excuses are unmanly.

DD

BHannes2BHonest 02-02-2012 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by DaDakota (Post 6600610)
1:32 - Lowry wasn't tripped, he stepped right over that, and jumped into the guy, come on.....these excuses are unmanly.

DD
He jumped over parkers thigh...??. yea your right ...70 inch vertical:rolleyes:

DaDakota 02-02-2012 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by BHannes2BHonest (Post 6600619)
He jumped over parkers thigh...??. yea your right ...70 inch vertical:rolleyes:
He was completely on balance, stop making excuses for a poor decision.

DD

BHannes2BHonest 02-02-2012 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by DaDakota (Post 6600624)
He was completely on balance, stop making excuses for a poor decision.

DD
DD even if he avoided the trip or whatever.... it was still a "charge" in the SEMI-CIRCLE AKA RESTRICTED AREA = BAD CALL

DaDakota 02-02-2012 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by BHannes2BHonest (Post 6600627)
DD even if he avoided the trip or whatever.... it was still a "charge" in the SEMI-CIRCLE AKA RESTRICTED AREA = BAD CALL
You do realize that is 100% up to a referees judgment, that not every call in the circle is automatically a block right?

DD

BHannes2BHonest 02-02-2012 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by DaDakota (Post 6600631)
You do realize that is 100% up to a referees judgment, that not every call in the circle is automatically a block right?

DD
Yes...its a tough job.... but By Rule..... There are no charges in the restricted area.... key words ...By Rule... The semi circle is not painted there to make the court look pretty... it is there for enforcement of the "rules"

durvasa 02-02-2012 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by DaDakota (Post 6600631)
You do realize that is 100% up to a referees judgment, that not every call in the circle is automatically a block right?

DD
Splitter jumped up vertically but his heel was over the dotted-line. If he didn't jump up, its a blocking call. Because he jumped, its a no-call. We got the benefit of that call many a times with Yao Ming, so lets not complain about it now.

rockbox 02-02-2012 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by DaDakota (Post 6600631)
You do realize that is 100% up to a referees judgment, that not every call in the circle is automatically a block right?

DD
Its supposed to be.


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