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They made cuts in my penis- There was blood all over”

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  1. AMS

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    They made cuts in my penis- There was blood all over”
    8/8/2005 3:30:00 PM GMT


    "I didn't have the energy or will to say anything," Benyam wrote

    These are extracts from the diary of Benyam Mohamed, a 27-year-old Ethiopian man whom the U.S. sent to several countries to be tortured.

    Benyam’s attorney revealed that interrogators in jails through which his client passed before reaching Guantanamo Bay, Cuba abused him sexually and psychologically.

    Clive Stafford Smith, a British human rights lawyer who represents 40 Guantanamo Bay prisoners said that Benyam was tortured in Pakistan, Morocco and Afghanistan and that he was flown between those countries by American operatives.

    Benyam was arrested at Karachi airport on April 10 2002 by the United States.

    In July 2001, Benyam left his home in London and went to Afghanistan, and later left to Pakistan. In his diary he describes how he was flown by a U.S. government plane to a prison in Morocco.

    "They cut off my clothes with some kind of doctor's scalpel. I was naked.

    "I tried to put on a brave face. But maybe I was going to be raped. Maybe they'd electrocute me. Maybe castrate me", he wrote.

    "They took the scalpel to my right chest. It was only a small cut. Maybe an inch. At first I just screamed ... I was just shocked, I wasn't expecting ... Then they cut my left chest. This time I didn't want to scream because I knew it was coming".

    "One of them took my penis in his hand and began to make cuts. He did it once, and they stood still for maybe a minute, watching my reaction. I was in agony. They must have done this 20 to 30 times, in maybe two hours. There was blood all over. "I told you I was going to teach you who's the man," [one] eventually said", Benyam continues.

    "One of them said it would be better just to cut it off, as I would only breed "terrorists". I asked for a doctor".

    Then two doctors came to see Benyam.

    "Dr. No1 said "You're all right, aren't you? But I'm going to say a prayer for you."

    "Doctor No 2 gave me an Alka-Seltzer for the pain. I told him about my penis. "I need to see it. How did this happen?" I told him. He looked like it was just another patient. "Put this cream on it two times a day."

    "One time I asked a guard: "What's the point of this? I've got nothing I can say to them. I've told them everything I possibly could."

    "As far as I know, it's just to degrade you. So when you leave here, you'll have these scars and you'll never forget. So you'll always fear doing anything but what the U.S. wants," one of the prison guards told Benyam.
    "The following January, a U.S. airplane "picked me up", and a female MP took pictures", Benyam said. "She was one of the few Americans who ever showed me any sympathy."

    "They treated me and took more photos when I was in Kabul. Someone told me this was "to show Washington it's healing".

    "In Morocco, there were even worse things. About once a week or even once every two weeks I would be taken for interrogation, where they would tell me what to say. They said if you say this story as we read it, you will just go to court as a witness and all this torture will stop. I eventually repeated what was read out to me".

    "When I got to Morocco they said some big people in Al Qaeda were talking about me. They talked about Jose Padilla and they said I was going to testify against him and big people. They named Khaled Sheikh Mohamed, Abu Zubaidah and Ibn Sheikh Al Libby [all senior Al Qaeda leaders who are now in U.S. custody]. What they wanted changed from Morocco to when later I was in the Dark Prison [a detention centre in Kabul with windowless cells and American staff], to Bagram and again in Guantanamo Bay".

    "They told me that I must plead guilty. I'd have to say I was an Al Qaeda operations man, an ideas man. I kept insisting that I had only been in Afghanistan a short while. "We don't care," was all they'd say".

    "On August 6, I thought I was going to be transferred out of there [the prison]. They came in and cuffed my hands behind my back".

    "But then three men came in with black masks. It seemed to go on for hours. I was in so much pain I'd fall to my knees. They'd pull me back up and hit me again. They'd kick me in my thighs as I got up. I vomited within the first few punches".

    "I didn't have the energy or will to say anything."

    "During September-October 2002, I was taken in a car to another place."

    "They cuffed me and put earphones on my head. They played hip-hop and rock music, very loud. I remember they played Meat Loaf and Aerosmith over and over. A couple of days later they did the same thing. "

    Benyam said he spent 18 months in Morocco.

    "For 18 months, there was not one night when I could sleep well. Sometimes I would go 48 hours without sleep. At night, they would bang the metal doors, bang the flap on the door, or just come right in".

    "They weren't really interrogations, more like training me what to say." The interrogator told me what was going on. "We're going to change your brain," he said.

    "In all the 18 months I was there, I never went outside. I never saw the sun, not even once."

    Excerpts of Benyam’s diary were first published last Tuesday in London's Guardian newspaper

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    Edit: found the link
    http://www.cageprisoners.com/articles.php?id=8809
     
  2. pippendagimp

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    WTF!?!?

    This **** makes Abu Gharib sound like a visit to ChuckieCheese
     
  3. HayesStreet

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    The Guardian also said:

    Mohammed, 26, who grew up in Notting Hill in west London, is alleged to be a key figure in terrorist plots intended to cause far greater loss of life than the suicide bombers of 7/7. One allegation, which he denies, is of planning to detonate a "dirty bomb" in a US city; another is that he and an accomplice planned to collapse a number of apartment blocks by renting ground-floor flats to seal, fill with gas from cooking appliances, and blow up with timed detonators.

    In June 2001 Mohammed left his bedsit off Golborne Road, Notting Hill, and travelled to Afghanistan, via Pakistan. He maintains he wanted to see whether it was "a good Islamic country or not". It appears likely that he spent time in a paramilitary training camp.

    Recruits to some groups connected to al-Qaida are thought to be instructed to make allegations of torture after capture, and most of Mohammed's claims cannot be independently verified.

    Another source:

    There is no known independent verification of the allegations made by Mohammed, who the lawyer said reached Guantanamo in September.

    "Stafford Smith said Mohammed left his home in London's Notting Hill neighborhood in June 2001 and traveled to Afghanistan. Mohammed told the lawyer that he had become a Muslim and was trying to kick a drug habit. He said he wanted to see if Afghanistan's fundamentalist Taliban administration might be able to help him clean up his life.

    The account does not say what Mohammed did during the U.S.-led war that overthrew the Taliban after the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. But it says that in April 2002 he was in Karachi, in neighboring Pakistan, and was arrested at the airport there as he tried to fly back to Britain using a fake passport."
     
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    My first choice for drug rehab is almost always opium cartels. :p
     
  5. bigtexxx

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    Al Queda is trained to claim torture once they are released. There was an article posted a while back on that.

    Don't believe everything these low-lifes claim - it's part of their public opinion campaign, and it looks like they have some ready and able messengers to promote their claims in the form of the American liberal (adeel, et al.) These men deserve no sympathy, even if you are their same religion.
     
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    american liberals, or terrorists?
     
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    The war for the hearts of of the Islamic masses will be won or lost with propaganda. Karen Hughes better get her ass in gear.
     
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    LOL - good question, but I was referring to the terrorists.
     
  9. Bullard4Life

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    So if what many of them say isn't true, why is it necessary for the US to maintain a policy of extraditing terror suspects to countries that have no laws against torture? Face it, even if they may be a little to brown-skinned or non-Christian for your taste, these people are human beings and many of them are being tortured.
     
  10. R0ckets03

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    Men like these deserve sympathy not because of religion, but because of the simple fact that they are also human beings.

    Unless he is lying and was actually involved in some terrorist activities. In which case he deserves everything he got and then some.

    I just cant believe there are some people who will discredit anything and everything like this story. I am sure there are some lies and then there probably is some actual truth in some stories. Its not that either they are all lying or vice versa.

    Its not possible for you, me or most normal people to know which stories are true. But to generalize and say "these men deserve no sympathy" is just ****ing ignorant on your part.
     
  11. AMS

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    So, just because he was "accused" of being a terrorist it makes these actions such as cutting someones penis acceptable???

    Truly it is somewhat due to the fact that I share the same religion as them that I have sympathy towards him, but it surely wouldnt change my view towards any Muslims torturing another with the same process this man was put through.


    And can you please post the link to the article where it says that alqaeda is taught to claim torture when released?

    And after abu gharib and such scandals, who knows who is the victim and who is the torturer.
     
  12. bigtexxx

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    Excuse me, but are you calling me racist? Where did that come from? How small of you. If you can't back up your claims (which you CAN'T), that is incredibly weak on your part.

    I'm absolutely not racist.

    :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
     
  13. bigtexxx

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    Terrorists do not get sympathy from me.

    Sorry if you sympathize and care for them, but I don't. They are the scum of the earth, and if you think that they're not, then you're the one who's "****ing ignorant", brah.
     
  14. thadeus

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    I don't know how the average person could possibly tell if this is true, or if it isn't.

    Then again, I don't know if it would make any difference if the average person knew that this was true or that this was false.
     
  15. thadeus

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    How do you know he's a terrorist? I certainly don't know. It is "alleged" that he is - but who is doing the alleging? Do you just trust the people who imprisoned him to make that judgment for you?

    Yeah, I guess you probably do.
     
  16. AMS

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    he isnt a terrorist. isnt it american ethics and law that teach us, innocent until proven guilty? he is just accused of being one. What makes it right for anyone to torture someone who is being accused? If we used your way of thinking than tons of innocent people who were wrongly sent to jail would have been tortured. Surely you would support it if Michael Jackson, OJ Simpson, etc etc and others had their dicks cut at.

    and then you yell and scream at the top of your lungs and claim that people in iraq arent getting the "right to a fair trial and freedom of speech" and hence we are there. **** we cant get this stuff right in our own westernized society, and you expect other countries to let you come in and tell them how to govern them.

    pathetic double standards.
     
  17. vwiggin

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    The Constitution must be such an inconvenient document for you.

    I appreciate HayesStreet's response. By posting the Guardian story, I interpret his stance as "let's take this story with a grain of salt." That is wise and reasonable. We don't have any credible verification of these claims, and it would be foolish to jump to conclusions either way.

    However, I get the feeling that bigtex has a different take on this. He's giving off the impression that even if these allegations were true, he really doesn't care. And that scares me.
     
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    Now now bigtexxx we have already shown racist statements by you regarding the people from the middle east in the thread about the musicians who thought to be terrorists.
     
  19. bigtexxx

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    I completely debunked everything you wrote in that thread. That was proven.
     
  20. HayesStreet

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    The original article in the post is just a reprint of the Guardian story with all the parts the conspiracy nuts at cagedprisoners.com didn't think sounded good for thier point of view. The Al Queda teaching torture claims statement is in the original article (that part I posted above).

    As for torture itself, there have been plenty of threads on this. Its not as black and white as some seem to portray. In fact, when polled most will say if you have a terrorist and he knows where the nuke in nyc is, and its about to go off, you could torture the guy. Personally I wouldn't blink with that choice. Do I think torture is generally effective and beneficial compared to its costs? No. Do I think its the right way to treat other human beings? No. So then the question becomes when do you condone torture, not whether or not you do. Some may say let nyc blow because such choices dehumanize us, and they are right that it does. But there are no absolutes.
     

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