Statistically, Ty Lawson looks like a top 10 point guard

What did you do to piss him off? You are pretty abrasive, so I blame you.

 

who got away with it

 

True.

But what a blessing it is for us to have both.

Last year in the playoffs we were playing Prigioni and Terry. This year, we have Lawson, Beverley and still have Terry. Our biggest weakness last season should be a strength this year. Having Lawson should cut down on Bev's minutes and hopefully help him stay healthy. Although neither Lawson or Beverley are the best PG's, they should form a pretty dynamic and derp combo for 48 minutes from that position and maybe even in certain situations playing at the same time.

I'm really excited for this season

 

Playoffs already started who are we playing first round ? Lol

 

agreed. i think a healthy dwight, bev, dmo, and lawson would've helped push the warriors to 7, with home court advantage deciding the series. this year if we have better luck with health through the season, and the warriors have a little worse luck with health during the season, i think we have a chance to have the best record in the west.

depending on health you could put the top 4 teams in any order (hou, gsw, lac, sas) with whoever has HCA coming out of the west.

 

He's a little baby James Harden

 

Oh yeah, I'm extremely excited as well. I love Lawson's offensive game, and I believe he will improve on defense with us. I just thought it was silly to discuss player rankings without talking about defense.

 

In the nuggets 57 win season Ty avg 17/7 on 46/37/75 shooting. If we can get that kind of production from him this season the rockets will be in good shape. That season he had to share the ball with other high usage players in iggy and gally so I think him and harden shouldn't have a problem sharing the ball at all. The nuggets played at the 2nd fastest pace that season while the rockets played at the 2nd fastest pace this season.

Should be a good fit IMO.

Ty Lawson is better than Jeff Teague and mike Conley you guys will see this year, his talent is on a whole nother level.

 

Exactly why I think he is the perfect pg we could of gotten. He is the little non superstar version of harden(all star caliber tho)

It's gonna be fun watching harden off the ball more

I see Ty's and hardens numbers going down a tiny bit, but see shooting % going up.

Turnovers were a big thing last year but I don't see that happening much this year

 

James Harden is basically Ty Lawson + Kevin Martin, in one player.

And now we have Ty Lawson, so logically speaking, all we need now is Kevin Martin and that machine from the movie "The Fly" and then we can make another James Harden.

I'd say a Harden/Harden backcourt would be pretty strong, although a little redundant.

 

LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL :grin:

 

Lawson isn't a better overall player than Conley. He's more dynamic on offense though, which is what the Rockets need.

There was a period before the ASB where Teague played at a near-elite level but it didn't last.

 

We'll see this year Conley has had ty benefit of players no on a very strong team for the past few seasons, Ty has not. Also Conleys defenses as noted erlier is overrated and not all that great.

I like Conely and think he is a fine player but I just don't think his talent is on the same level as Ty, mike is just solid and doesn't make many mistakes but he's not great at any one thing.

 

Cant wait to watch Ty and his debut.

Hes like what Jeremy Lin should have been if his Linsanity streak continued.

 

Lin was better in NY than probably all of his other stations......

At his best Ty was still the best passer, you do not need him to drop 28 pts most nights so yeah.....

Of course I hope he does not underwhelm

 

Let's look at the past 2 years to get a better handle on this group of PGs, rather than just react only to most recent season ...

Among these 6 PGs (Lawson, Lowry, Irving, Conley, Teague, Bledsoe) ...
Over the past 2 seasons combined ...
Ty Lawson ranks:

LAST (6th of 6)
eFG% (47.5)
USG% (21.7)
FT% (76.4)
DWS (1.3)
PER (18.8)

5th
PPG (16.4)
FG% (43.4)
TOPG (2.9)
DRPM (-2.14)

4th
3P% (34.9)
TO% (15.8)
RPM (2.45)
WAR (7.54)
WS (6.7)

3rd
OWS (5.4)

2nd
MPG (35.7)

FIRST
APG (9.2)
AST% (40.6)
A/TO (3.3)
ORPM (4.17)


Admittedly, this is just a random collection of ind stats I look at for evaluating NBA PGs ...

But among these 6 'peers', Lawson ranks in the top 3 of 6 stat categories
Of the 6 stats in which he ranks well, only MPG is not directly tied into his superb PLAYMAKING ability, which I think we all agree is his biggest asset as a PG

Conversely, Lawson ranks in the bottom 3 of 14 stat categories among these 6 players
That includes ranking dead-last in 5, which is more than the 4 he leads
Not surprisingly, most of these bad rankings relate directly to his SHOOTING and DEFENSE, which most would agree are his biggest shortcomings as a PG

Wish I could post the full table with everything to compare these players, but it just looks like a jumbled mess when I try

Certainly nothing groundbreaking here, as this basically shows that his elite playmaking is offset by subpar defense and shooting, which keeps him right on the borderline of Top 10 NBA PGs

But I think it also shows that those who consider Ty clearly 'better' than any of Lowry, Irving, Conley, Teague, or Bledsoe are doing so as pure opinion, rather than any concrete factual (statistical) evidence

That Morey got him for nothing, with a full non-guaranteed TO for year #2, just shows what a brilliant move this was for the Rockets ...
Think any of those other 5 very-comparable PGs, if on the market, could have been acquired for anything close to what we gave up (in players & contract) for Ty's services the next 2 seasons?

 

Also worth mentioning ...

Not that it's all Ty's fault, but as the Nugs 'franchise' player the past 2+ seasons, it doesn't speak well of his leadership (a key for any PG) that while his team was floundering in the lotto, Ty was getting multiple DUI arrests while blasting his team's Front Office repeatedly and publicly

Lawson and Bledsoe are the only 2 in that group to not make the playoffs either of past 2 seasons, and Bledsoe's Suns finished higher seeded in West than Lawson's Nuggets both times

While Kyrie rode LBJ to Finals last season, he was still clearly the 2nd-best player on a powerhouse that should be EC favs for next 2-3 years

Conley has now surpassed ZBo as #2 on perennial playoff team Memphis
For those who dog his Ind Def acumen, remember that only Gasol has been more vital in establishing the Grizz as an elite DEF team that was in WCF just 2 years ago, and gave eventual champ GS best series of any team last season

Teague blossomed into leader for #1 seed that reached ECF while earning his first AllStar nod in 2015

Lowry also made his 1st AllStar team in 2015 as the franchise player for a Toronto playoff team the past 2 seasons

 

This is really dumb analysis if you ask me. You value each category like it's unique and equally valuable. You have like a half dozen stats that say the same thing - he is good at getting assists. You have one stat that covers defense, which is only like 50% of the freaking game. Why are you all so obsessed at 1) ranking these PG's and 2) ensuring Ty Lawson gets ranked in the top 10? Did Moses issue a decree that the Rockets will win a championship if their PG is in the top 10??? What is driving you all sooooo much?!?!?!

 

I think Lawson is a top 3 PG on the Rockets.