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2014 Astros Minor League Thread v2.0

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by No Worries, Jun 24, 2014.

  1. Nick

    Nick Contributing Member

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    Pitching in Lancaster is not your typical 'A' ball.

    Hitting in Lancaster is not your typical 'A' ball.
     
  2. juicystream

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    Or you could skip Lancaster.
     
  3. sealclubber1016

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    That's what most of us wanted from the start. I hate the affiliate with a burning passion, none of the numbers from there can be taken seriously. You have to go to advanced numbers to try and tell the story, and even most of those are skewed. Since his return 5 of his 6 starts have been at the Hangar.

    Make no mistake he has sucked royally, even for Lancaster, but I get the feeling if he gets promoted his results will instantly get much better. Sometimes a change of scenery can do wonders, not to mention much, much more neutral parks.
     
  4. boozle222

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    Which only makes me wonder: how amazing are Josh Hader's stats considering this?
     
  5. sealclubber1016

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    His numbers have been astonishing, I can't believe he's still there.

    He has gotten knocked around pretty good his last 2 starts. I'm of the opinion that anybody that stays there long enough is gonna feel it's wrath eventually.
     
  6. TimPoopura

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    I was pretty down on the Conrad Gregor pick at the time of the 2013 draft, but I'm on the bandwagon now. He was always a polished hitter than simply needed to tap into his power potential. I'm sure part of his .290 ISO at A+ is the Lancaster effect, but I doubt all of it is.

    I was a little surprised when they promoted him after 194 PAs at Quad Cities, but their internal data probably showed consistent hard contact. And after 174 PAs at Lancaster, he's sporting a 13.2% BB rate and only 9.8% K rate. I'll take it.
     
  7. TimPoopura

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    By the way, from one of the BP prospect guys at Appel's start last night:

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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>He has excessive trunk tilt at foot strike (leaned over at 30 degree angle); makes it hard for him to get ball down &amp; especially in.</p>&mdash; Chris Rodriguez (@chrisrod13) <a href="https://twitter.com/chrisrod13/statuses/487476089036345345">July 11, 2014</a></blockquote>
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Therefore, he missed up &amp; away a lot and FB flattened out. Professional hitters can hit belt high and on the outer third, even if it's 95.</p>&mdash; Chris Rodriguez (@chrisrod13) <a href="https://twitter.com/chrisrod13/statuses/487477005265301504">July 11, 2014</a></blockquote>
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  8. juicystream

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    No need for CODE tags
     
  9. astros123

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    a four year college starter lol. this is why taking pitching prospects with the first pick is a effin mistake.
     
  10. htownbball

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    But how are other pitchers doing well in Lancaster?? VV, Hader, etc.
     
  11. No Worries

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    VV had a strained groin and missing a a bunch of games. His first rehab start at GCL today went well, so he should be back to Lancaster soon.
     
  12. sealclubber1016

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    VV only has 28 innings, and hasn't pitched since early in the season when it was cooler and easier to deal with.

    Hader has been amazing, but he is very much an anomaly. Over the last 10 years only 2 guys have been able to maintain an ERA under 4 while pitching more than 100 innings. It's even worse than Coors Field.
     
  13. The Beard

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    Part of an environment like that is mental. Some just pitch, some are bothered by it a lot more.

    We know now that MMP is a neutral park regarding runs scored. But Lima time ruined his career because he thought it was impossible to pitch there
     
  14. The Real Shady

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    Because hitters miss when they swing at the ball. Something Apple is struggling at doing.

    Send him to QC for the rest of the season to work on his pitching and get his confidence back. Then start him next season in CC.
     
  15. TimPoopura

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    I wouldn't jump to that conclusion. The good news is that most of the stuff we've heard about Appel indicates that he mostly needs mechanical tweaks. If the stuff still projects, then it's too early to hit the panic button.

    Between the leaving his pitches up and flat based on his foot strike and the theory that he was tipping a lot of his pitches, there are obvious areas for improvement that should lead to better results.
     
  16. MrBear1

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    A guy taken first overall isn't supposed to be such a project.
     
  17. bdb

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    I guess doctors are wrong. The appendix does have a use after all. Its where all the baseball talent is kept.
     
  18. No Worries

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    Aiken certainly will be, if he signs.
     
  19. Nick

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    If his issues are truly mechanical/mental, he will be mediocre at QC now as well...

    He either works it out at Lancaster (doubtful), or he works it out in Corpus... and if he struggles, he repeats Corpus again next year. If its just a change of scene thing.... the Astros would get more out of it sooner if they send him to Corpus now. I doubt a promotion would make him worse at this point.
     
  20. astros123

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    a high school pitcher and a 4 year starter is the same?

    people on the boards were claiming he'll be at OKC right now and looking for a sept call up....

    his delievery is whats costing him atm. not simple mechanics
     

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