Dude! Dude! That's just so wrong that if I wanted to explain why, I wouldn't know where to start. Just back up, step away, and take a deep breath, basketballholic. Tell yourself that you aren't one of those guys. Be a human being. Don't be your alter ego, the evil twin that starts with a J. Better yet, light up a J and chill out (that's an attempt at humor). Women are our equals. They deserve respect and consideration equal to that of a man. Actually, they deserve more. Why? Because they put up with us, that's why.
He has a point. Most guys who bend over backward for their wives aren't getting any. I speak for my dad of course. He cares about my mom more than she does him. That's obvious.
How long were you married before you got divorced because your wife wasn't submissive and the counselor didn't tell her to be?
That doesn't work and neither party is happy. Women are happiest when they are with a good man who isn't afraid to walk off and leave their .... if they are acting like spoiled brats. There's a shortage of good men. If you're a good man you don't have to go for all that stuff and the best women will float to the top and make themselves available for you and desirable to you. The rest of them ain't worth spending $3 on a cheeseburger for.
I have a wonderful marriage with a beautiful wife that still whispers in my ear. She don't play games because she knows I ain't playing games. thank you very much.
I think you could save that money used for counseling and instead go buy a premium bowling ball. You most likely will be happier with that decision.
And your way of not playing games is that you made it clear to her that you will leave if she ain't submissive?
If I wasn't devoted to my signature, I'd use this instead. "Most guys who bend over backward for their wives aren't getting any." Why? Because it's so nonsensical that it's funny. So if I "bend over backward" for my significant other and have a healthy sex life, that makes me an anomaly because I'm not "most guys." How goofy is that?
Dunno. Never hit a woman in my life. In fact I've never even fought a man except when cornered by a couple street thugs and I was forced to hit them a couple times with a fist and a flying kick so I could escape. But I have walked away from more than one belligerent woman and permanently severed the relationship after giving them a couple chances to calm down and be rational and warning them there wouldn't be a second chance. Until I found the one that valued me enough to calm down and work through whatever the issue was respectfully. Still got her. She was a keeper.
I made it clear there was no chance for a long term relationship with me if she was going to try to manipulate my by yelling, screening, pouting, crying, and holding out on me. I made it clear what my expectations were and what I would give and do for a woman that met my expectations and what I would do if she didn't meet my expectations. The good women always embrace expectations from a good man. They know they will ultimately win and get everything they want out of a relationship with a good man by doing so. Everybody else is losers just playing games with each other, both men and women.
I have enjoyed being a loser for 30+ years. My non-submissive wife has enjoyed being a loser for 30+ years as well.
Does couples counseling count? If so, I did this and I initially was concerned because after the first day the counselor, made me see how unhappy my gf was at the time. After the second and third session, I realized that a lot of problems were brought to light and were no longer kept in the back burner. This helped immensely because I often avoided serious conversations like religion, parents, etc. because I felt it would end in an argument. Eventually couples counseling helped me realize that we both needed to focus on the "problem" and not on what was pissing us off, for lack of a better term. Focusing on the problem, involved a few things most importantly was the ability to stop and think about what is really bothering you. We did this in a process of removing layers, first starting with the first layer (e.g. I don't want to go to church), second layer (e.g. It's a bunch of groupthink etc.), third layer (e.g. I have a hard time believing, 4th layer (e.g. growing up i was forced to attend and hated it ever since, and being forced to go brings out that inner hate). This may be a very simplistic way of looking at it, but for the sake of giving an example this is what I learned from counseling. Watch this video, this is what the counselor had us watch together. I thought it was funny and got the point across. Please excuse me if I used e.g. incorrectly :grin:
I would like to point out that marriage counseling did help my marriage tremendously - my current marriage. If you go into it with an open mind and not just look at it as an opportunity to point fingers, you can really learn a lot about yourself. My previous marriage was a wreck that should've never happened, but I've taken those experiences, including the counseling, to make my current one amazing.
