Except that Harden plays many more minutes; is the main focus of the opposition often double teamed; most of his TO's are actually while trying to be aggressive going to the rim and creating an easy basket as opposed to Lin whose TO's are for the most part pick up the dribble, jump in the air with nowhere to go and hand it over to the opposition etc etc I could go on and on. Point is watch the games, don't just focus on the numbers. Not trying to throw all the TO's blame on Lin but to compare Harden and Lin's TO's is absurd for a variety of reasons.
Lin averaged 3.6 TO's with NY. That's less than Harden is averaging this season. So you will also agree that Harden has been extremely turnover prone since he's been a Rocket, right? Also, Lin has dropped his TO's down to 2.9 TO's last season to 2.7 this season. Meanwhile, Harden averaged 3.7 last season and 3.6 this season.
You can't expect people to be content with Lin struggling in the last 8 games simply because he had a decent stretch of games prior to his struggles. If anything, that just makes people even more upset, you never know if he will show up to play. What happens in the playoffs? Will we get the good Jeremy Lin for 5-6 games or the bad Jeremy Lin for 5-6 games? The problem is this kind of inconsistency is just not acceptable for a player who is vital to the success of this team. When Harden is off the court, Lin is the next best playmaker. This team, especially the bench, needs Lin to show up. The Rockets cannot afford to have Lin go on random slumping streaks. Harden would be playing 48 minutes in the playoffs if Lin does not have his head in the game by the time the playoffs arrive.
Which was actually what Lin did during Linsanity and people repeatedly harped on his TO's anyway. And yes, Harden plays more minutes but ratio wise, the TO's are about the same and the TO blame should be on him too. I'm in no way saying Lin is better, which is what everyone tries to imply if you defend Lin, but turning a blind eye to Harden's TO's and poor D while constantly berating Lin on his jump in the air with nowhere to go is getting old.
Nope. He had some good games but has been playing like crap lately. He can't hit a shot and can't even get more than 25 min on a depleted crappy Lakers team.
Only 3 teams have a third player averaging 2.7 turnovers, Philly, who is dead last in TO, and Sacramento, who have 3 guys who score 20 points per game. Lin's turnovers are out of proportion to his production. If he were giving us 18+ points and 6+ assists, then his turnovers wouldn't be an issue.
Sorry, but no, the turnover's are absolutely not "about the same". Harden's turnovers are usually fouls that should have been called but aren't. Jeremy's turnovers are usually live ball turnovers, where he jumps in the air and throws the ball to the wrong team. Lin turns over the ball on nearly 20% of his possessions. Harden is at 15%. (22% during Linsanity). For reference, we are dead last in the league at an average of 15%, Charlotte is the best at 12%. What is getting old is being last in the league in turnovers and then having a PG come in and make multiple consecutive bad decisions over and over and over again. You guys can call it hating, but this is the most glaring issue with our offense right now. Focusing in on the egregious offender of turnovers is the natural course of action for something like this.
I really like Lin and want to see him succeed, but the suckfest needs to end and end soon. Some combination of Hamilton, Harden, Daniels, Bev, and maybe even Canaan may consume a lot more of Lin's minutes soon. We cannot take Lin's current play into the playoffs. I'm really curious to see what happens to Lin after next year - what kinds of offers he gets (if any) and for how much. There are just too many good PGs in the NBA.
I only care about pts. off TOs, not the TO's themselves. If you're a playmaker, you're going to make TOs. Like interceptions in football, TO's are recorded to the passer, but are not always the passer's fault. As for Lin, He's a 2:1-3:1 A/TO guy when given a true PG role. There's nothing wrong with Lin's game except for the shooting % over the last 5 games. That will turn around.
All nba players can have horrible games, even Lebron, albeit his bad games are probably average for most guys due to his greatness. The vast majority of Rockets fans harp on Lin because he is highly inconsistent. Nothing else. There are probably a few who hate him for his race and think he is being overpaid. Those posters are idiots and there is very little me or you can do about that, since being an idiot is not a crime. Having said that, Lin can help fix whatever is ailing him but not taking so many chances with risky passes. Control the pace. Shoot the ball when you are open, rather than driving into a packed paint. Play with more energy and keep you damn head up after a mistake. Do all of the above and you will see a much better player, dare I say, consistent?
Lin's turnovers are LIVE BALL TURNOVERS that will almost always results in points for the opposition. There is just NO DEFENSE for live ball turnovers. And Lin was never a 3:1 A/TO guy for the Rockets. He is a 1.6 A/TO guy right now. And again with the excuses of given a true PG role? LOL
It was going around twitter as early as Feb 28, so between LAC and Detroit games. Here's another one, which looks to be during the Pistons game but I don't know for sure. Spoiler
I see you're talking about lin and harden turnovers, harden is a WAYYYY better player let me be clear. Once again harden is a WAYYYY better player, ok now here we go. Last year when both were starters and played similar mins even tho harden was the main ball handler and played more here are the numbers. I know you like to bash lin anytime you can so I know youre having ball during this slump, which is cool many people are, but I will say you need to do your research on certain things. The way you talk about lin he wouldnt even be in the top 50 of rockets pgs with asst. ALL TIME ROCKETS Assists Average per game avg. season 12-13 1. John Lucas Jr. 325 2,358 7.3 2. Steve Francis 384 2,411 6.3 3. Jeremy Lin 82 497 6.1ass. (2.9T.O) 4. Art Williams 238 1,418 6.0 5. James Harden 78 455 5.8asst. (3.8T.O) 6. Rafer Alston 267 1,519 5.7 7. Tracy McGrady 303 1,699 5.6 8. Kyle Lowry 218 1,212 5.6 9. Clyde Drexler 219 1,192 5.4 10. Sleepy Floyd 439 2,363 5.4 LINK http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/.el...s/rockets/HoustonRockets2013_14MediaGuide.pdf
truth is lin, harden, and howard all turn the ball over too much. Thats a big part of the reason bev starts because he takes care of the ball and doesnt make risky passes, lin is a different type of player thats part of his game trying to get people in the mix to score just likeany pg does. Bev doesnt do that he passes the ball only when someone is wide open or safe passes to harden at the top of the key. plenty of players turn the ball over PGs actually do it the most in the NBA. Lin comes off the bench now as a SG/6th man but he still wants to make risky passes like a PG. That cant work because of hes not the only one truning the ball over his will look worse than anyones.
