Yeah, you need two. You need them to cover one with a linebacker. A Hernandez/Gronk combo with a physical running game. Funny enough, I think the 2012 Texans team with Daniels, Graham, Foster, and Andre with Kubiak's play action game would be the type of team that could give Seattle problems. Until Schaub throws a pick six anyway, haha.
Here are the all time point, rankings, I continue in the next reply. http://mcubed.net/nfl/ptlpapg.shtml
I agree with all of the above. I must say I think defenses in NFL now, like the NBA are simply better than past years, given the rule changes made to boost offensive numbers around the league. I think there are a few top-level defensive backs from the past that may struggle now, given the increase reliance on speed, agility, more complicated offensive schemes, and being matched up against bigger receivers (without the luxury of mugging). If we can all agree the passing and scoring numbers are overinflated, on the same token, we have to give more credit to a modern team that allows very few points and yards.
In my lifetime, I would have to say the best defenses I've seen are . . . that I could qualify as dominant or near dominant. 2008,2010-2011 Pittsburgh Steelers (Key Players: James Harrison, Casey Hampton, Ryan Clark, Troy Polamelu, Lawrence Timmons 2005-2006 Chicago Bears (Key Players: Brian Urlacher, Lance Briggs, Charles Tillman, 1996-2003 Tampa Bay Buccaneers (Key Players: Warren Sapp, Derrick Brooks, John Lynch, Ronde Barber, Simeon Rice, Anthony McFarland, Brad Culpepper) 2001-2005 New England Patriots (Key Players: Richard Seymour, Willie McGinest, Ty Law, Mik Vrabel, Tedy Bruschi, Lawyer Milloy/Rodney Harrison, and young Vince Wilfork). 2000-2001, 2006,2008-2011 Baltimore Ravens (Key Players: Ray Lewis, Terrell Suggs, Haloti Nagata, Bart Scott, Ed, Reed - earlier teams included Rod Woodson, Chris McCallister, Peter Boluware, Michael McCrary, Sam Adams, Tony Siragusa) 1996 Carolina Panthers 1997-1999 Jacksonvill Jaguars 2000 Tennessee Titans (Key Players: Jevon Kearse, Samari Rolle, Blaine Bishop, and Marcus Robertson) 1995-1997 Green Bay Packers (Key Players: Reggie White, Sean Jones, Gilbert Brown, Santana Datson, Leroy Buter, and Eugene Robinson) 1984-1991 Chicago Bears (Key Players: Mike Singletary, Richard Dent, Dan Hampton, Steve McMichael, Otis Wilson, Dave Duerson, and Trace Armstrong - later teams). 1992-1995 Dallas Cowboys (Key Players: Russell Maryland, Tony Tolbert, Leon Lett, Charles Haley, Larry Brown, Darren Woodson, Ken Norton Jr (early teams), and Deion Sanders (later). 1992-1998 San Francisco 49ers (Key players: Ken Norton Jr, Bryant Young, Eric Davis, Dana Stubblefield, Merton Hanks, Tim McDonad, Gary PLummer, and a number of high caliber one year rentals). Not too shabby group: 2000-2004 Philadelphia Eagles 1988-1993 Buffalo Bills (Key players: Bruce Smith, Darryl Talley, Cornelius Bennett, Shane Conlan, Nate Odoms, Henry Jackson, Phil Hansen, Marvcus Patton) 1990-1993 Houston Oilers (Key players: William Fuller, Cris Dishman, Sean Jones, Ray Childress, Al Smith,
Sherman said they basically figured out Mannings code and jumped all the routes......that Manning didn't go off script, which would have made them harder to defend.. So does that make them even better?
They atleast rank behind the 00 Ravens, 76 Steelers and 85 Bears. For a better comparison in more recent years, the 06 Ravens were also better. Still one heck of a defense Seattle has. A joy to watch. I love watching great defenses.
Seahawks secondary has a strong argument for best secondary. But if you look at stats, 2000 ravens are better. - lower PA during the season - more takeaways - still only team to not allow an offensive td in the sb (other team scored on a return) - there were more stats showing the 2000 ravens defence to be better but I don't remember (read the article like 2 weeks ago).
man if the seahawks secondary were allowed to play defense like teams before the 5 yard rule their numbers could be even more scary.
I saw the 85 Bears and 00 Ravens. In my mind, the 00 Ravens are the best defense of all time. Next to zero in offensive production..they went like 3-4 games in a row with their offense not scoring a TD, and they still won a Super Bowl.
It's easy for people, especially those who suffer from nostalgia to choose a classical NFL team, like 69-74 Vikings; 74-79 Steelers; or Cowboys team from 70s and 90s. You have to consider how many rule changes were made from the late 70s to right now to helped the offensive. We can cite the "Mel Blount" rule, the head slap (Deacon Jones, Claude Humphreys), Stroud Rule (there's a goaltending rule in NFL on FG kicks); 2002 to strictly enforce contact after 5 yards (Ty Law); facemask rule (Night Train, Lane); and Carson Palmer/Tom Brady rule. There's no way, you could put a team from the 40s-60s as the greatest passing defenses with regard to rule changes and league development. http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.co...less-receivers-mel-blount-donnie-shell-quotes http://www.footballperspective.com/putting-the-2013-seahawks-pass-defense-in-perspective/ I think Seattle is somewhere in the mix of about 5-20 great defensive teams, but their secondary, maybe the best, along with 94 49ers; 95 Cowboys; 00, 06 Ravens; 96 Packers; 97-01 Bucs; 05 Bears; and 09 Jets. I'm not knocking old school NFL teams, but how many of them from 40s-60s actually had what we would call a high-octane passing attack or an offense that primarily passes.
What about this Broncos defense? <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Just asked Broncos CB Chris Harris if he think Denver's defense is a historically great one. His response: "Best of all-time."</p>— Albert Breer (@AlbertBreer) <a href="https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/status/696536617247313920">February 8, 2016</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Seattle took down what many thought was the greatest offense in NFL history lead by who some consider the greatest QB in NFL history. Denver prevented Cam Newton from dabbing.
I put them tied with the ravens, since the coaching staff had to put some brains against against rule protected offenses of today same for the seahawks. so a three way tie for best Ds of the 2000s doesn't get harder than that.
1985 Bears has to be in the discussion Round 1 = 21-0 NFC Championship = 24-0 Superbowl = 46-10 (was 44-3 in the 4th) You can't really say Seattle is best ever just because they beat NE, when the Bears had 2 shutouts and a meaningless TD. What you're saying is it's a bigger accomplishment to beat Brady, but says nothing about whether Brady could have beaten Denver today or Da Bears.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">1. 3. 13. The TDs, interceptions and sacks <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WadePhillips?src=hash">#WadePhillips</a> D v. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CamNewton?src=hash">#CamNewton</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/TomBrady?src=hash">#TomBrady</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BenRoethlisberger?src=hash">#BenRoethlisberger</a> in playoffs <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SuperBowl?src=hash">#SuperBowl</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Broncos?src=hash">#Broncos</a> Wow.</p>— Kevin B. Blackistone (@ProfBlackistone) <a href="https://twitter.com/ProfBlackistone/status/696540401507807232">February 8, 2016</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Broncos defense held Big Ben, Brady and Cam to a combined 1 TD and sacked them a combined 13 times.<br><br>... Best ever?<a href="https://t.co/thiyycuqzC">https://t.co/thiyycuqzC</a></p>— NFLonCBS (@NFLonCBS) <a href="https://twitter.com/NFLonCBS/status/696712134772699136">February 8, 2016</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
