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Rocket player STATs Review upto 1.1.2014

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by TTNN, Jan 3, 2014.

  1. Oracle

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    No doubt the numbers are correct, but I would like to remaind that the end of the list play mostly without a center (a rim protector). That is actually the Houston super short lineup. Their ability to protect the rim is very limited.
     
  2. The Jabberwock

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    Thanks TTNN.

    Can you do Blocks and Steals PER MINUTE?
     
  3. tonman

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    Lin had two assists to Harden threes. the same can be said when Harden drives and Lin is at the top of the arc.

    again, what you are saying requires offensive movement without the ball. if Harden is at the top of the arc and gives the ball to Lin, Harden needs to MOVE and when Lin drives, Harden as you say would slide over but that means on the other side, the Rockets player there would have to slide to the top of the key as we need to be properly spaced and be able to transition back on defense.

    as I said, Team Defense and Team Offense.
     
  4. timyeung

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    Great work TTNN!

    Any chance you can email your stats and charts to Daryl Morey?

    As a stats guy he would love this stuff!
     
  5. Easy

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    I remember at the beginning of last season, when they had not had any time to play together, Lin connected to Harden a few times when Harden did the back door cut. So Harden is clearly able to move without the ball.

    Now they just give the ball to Harden at the top and let him create. Harden is much more effective when the defense is not set.

    How do you make the defense not set in a half court set? You either do some kind of motion offense or scramble up the defense with a penetrating PG.
     
  6. ThisVoice

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    So it looks like Lin is really underrated here
     
  7. tonman

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    part of the problem is the early three point shot. of course you want to shoot the ball when open before the defense gets set but defending a three point shot with 15-20 seconds left on the shot clock is not that difficult especially when the player is shooting 32% (Harden). if you attack the rim early you keep the defense moving and switching. people complain about lin dribbling in the paint and out again but that penetration is causing switches and defense to move. if they do things like that early, they still have time to run a PNR or ISO with the clock winding down where a three point shot is not that bad.

    the early three point shot is great if you make it but it is bad if you don't because you've just wasted an offensive possession and those guys especially the bigs have to run up and down the court.
     
  8. TTNN

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    Rebound

    The new player tracking system have some added flavors regarding rebounds. They start to track rebound chances. Which give an indication about a player position themeselves towards rebounding location. As there are players's role would be try to leak out thus not in the position for rebounding, thus track how many chances a player has for rebounding makes a lot more sense. Also whether the rebounding is contested or not is also tracked.

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    So look at the numbers, DH is a big time rebounder, Aaron Brooks, on the other hand, had the lest rebounding chances.

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    Thus when we look at the rebound%, DH by far got the highest in the team. James Harden is not bad either, and I'm a bit surprised that Beverley did not shine here, as I though he is pretty good at rebounding though. And a bigger surprise, I thought Jeremy is one of a pretty good rebounding guard, but his numbers does not show that.

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    When we look for the %rebounds that is contested, TJ and O.Asik stands out, they really fight for their rebounds. Another person worth notice is P.Beverley. He stands out in this category, which is now consistent with eye test now. And our two stars James Harden and Dwight Howard kind of slide down a bit in contested rebounds.
     
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    The rebounding stat is interesting in the sense that Beverly is vastly better than lin in this category and this gives an opportunity for a point deferential. Is this significant though?
     
  10. Nubmonger

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    One thing to note about Beverley's rebounds is that he has carte blanche to go for them from the coaching staff. All the other guards (and the small forwards) are told to transition immediately unless the ball is dropping in their vicinity.

    Lin was specifically told to stop going for rebounds last year, so even though some of his earlier career numbers indicated he was pretty good at grabbing rebounds, he basically never goes for them anymore. This is why you see such a big split between the rebounders and everyone else.

    In comparison to his peers (Jones, and to a lesser extent Howard and Asik), Casspi clearly needs to step up his game in the rebounding department.

    Thanks again for all of the work on this, TTNN! Is there any chance you could move away from the "per game" metrics and use "per minute" or "per possession" (where appropriate) instead?
     
  11. infinite-loop

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    This is the best thread on the forum.

    And no angry posts! It must be a first...
     
  12. Yohohoho

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    Beverley, Jones and Casspi definitely hustles. All three have below average rebound chance but their rebounds shoot straight up.

    I am curious about Brooks and Harden both having above rebound percentages. Do they converge towards the rim more? Lin and Parson both run the floor so the contested rebounds being lower is understandable. Lin and Parson also have high success around the rim. Are the rebound chance of Brooks and Harden due to their own miss shots?
     
  13. Yohohoho

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    There are quite a few pleasant threads, just "suck" threads and "trade" threads are overpopulating the first page. All those threads just results to name calling. (End)
     
  14. TTNN

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    Drives

    Drives were defined as any touch that starts at least 20 feet of the hoop and is dribbled within 10 feet of the hoop and excludes fast breaks.

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    No surprise, Rockets is the leader in the NBA in number of drives per game and points the team get out of drives. With roughly 105 points a game Rockets get, almost 40% of them come from somebody drive to the basket, that is pretty heavy components in Rockets' offense.

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    I also calculated the points per drive for each player, and for Rockets, most players get them around 1.1 to 1.2, that's pretty efficient, no wonder the team encourage the player to drive more, as good things usually happens when they do that. The league average are 1.05 points per drive, so the Rocket players not only do it more frequent, but they are also pretty good at it. Not sure whether that is one more aspect of Morey ball just like our famous shot selection in the team.

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    There are some info we already know, that Jeremy has pretty high FG% in drives, but do you know Parsons was pretty good too? Rockets has three good drives in Jeremy, Parsons and James. Patrick Beverley is not that efficient in driving, and he don't drive much either.

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    Jeremy also help the team earn more points out of drive per game, 9.4 per game, which is pretty good, top in the league too. Beverley not so much. Parsons and James are doing good too.
     
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  15. TTNN

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    This is interesting. Consider PB and JL's rebounding chances, only 1.1/game difference, and consider Jeremy don't really after offensive rebounds, so the difference is going to be there...... and hard to say whether that is significant or not.

    However, I do like Jeremy to increase his percentage a bit though.
     
  16. RiceRockets

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    No surprise to see Harden, Lin and Parsons right up there on the driving factor. Thanks TTNN
     
  17. brick

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    Thanks TTNN for your study. It's rare to see posts of such quality in CF.
     
  18. webattorney

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    One thing regarding what OP posted. I am almost certain that many of Lin's passes to Rockets teammates leads to FTs. This is why even when Lin doesn't get assists, his passes help Rockets. Actually, none of what OP has demonstrated through stats surprises me at all. Frankly, this shows that what many posters have been saying is not idiotic. To me, the biggest mistake is trying to turn Lin into a scorer rather than a facilitator. You are telling the guy whose biggest strength is playing as a facilitator to focus on scoring.
     
  19. AvgJoe

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    Care to compare B and D? Why do you think B gives the best defensive ratings when we simply swapping Jones with Casspi while Lin in the line up for both? Your comparison of C and D is just the same. Can we say Casspi's defense is SOOO much better than Jones?
     
  20. durvasa

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    This information is given in SportsVU stats.

    http://stats.nba.com/playerTrackingPassing.html?pageNo=1&rowsPerPage=100

    It says that Lin averages 0.6 "FT assists" per game (a pass that leads not to a made field goal but to a player being fouled and getting foul shots). He averages 43.2 total passes per game, and 4.2 assists per game.
     

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