[NBA.com] Sam Smith suggests an Asik-for-Rondo trade

Rondo has yet to prove he can come back 100%. That said, I'd still give Asik + Beverly + DMo + a 2nd for the gamble of Rondo.

 

There is 0 chance we wouldn't flip Asik for rondo if rondo is healthy. Even if you don't like rondo, moving Asik for rondo is called trading up.

 

Is Rondo really top 5?

CP3
Parker
Westbrook
Curry
Rose
Conley
Lawson
Beldsoe
Irving

That's 9 guys I'm pretty sure I'd take over Rondo. I think Rondo is pretty average now. Maybe in the 10 to 15 range, or if he doesn't heal well, he could be 16-20. Guys like Rubio, Lillard, Wall, Thomas, Teague, and Lin are all battling for the 10-15 spot right now.

PG is the most competitive backcourt position. I think way too many people are overrating Rondo. On top of that, he's extremely ball dominant. How much offensive value does a complete non-shooting PG have when Harden has the ball. Harden is far superior to Rondo with the ball.

I can't imagine how Morey would be willing to trade both Asik and Lin for Rondo. I'm not sure Rondo is even worth just one of those players.

 

I'm guessing you haven't watched more than 5 Rajon Rondo games in your life...

 

I think hes only watched the nba this year..

 

How about a young PG in the mold of Rajon Rondo?

from Atlanta:

Paul Millsap + Dennis Schroeder (the young, Rondo-esque PG with scoring and shooting skills) + backup center replacement (either Gustavo Ayon or Pero Antic) + filler/s

for

Omer Asik + Isaiah Canaan + filler/s

Dennis Schroeder is a nice young PG to groom for the next few years. (Look at his potential and actual accomplishments before judging)

Paul Millsap is the efficient complementary player that you can play with either Parsons or TJones at the forward spots.

I'd prefer Gustavo Ayon, but Pero Antic could work since he has shooting range, could provide that stretch effect.

 

Rather than resort to ad hominems, why not just list your top 5?

In no order, please fill out.
1. Rondo
2.
3.
4.
5.

 

Here's a hint.



RONDO'S NOT TOP 5.

 

These are my top Point Guards I don't count Westbrook and Curry because they are shooting guards that are forced to play PG because of thier size. A real PG shouldn't look to shoot first... I was hesitant to put Rose on the list but he is a former MVP so I kind of had to.

 

Yeah, sucks when players are forced to play a position because of their size. Reality bites that way. It sucks that Rose has that MVP, otherwise we could boot him too.

Just admit he's not top 5.

A real PG? WTF is that? Why wouldn't Curry shoot first if it's the best shot. A real PG, or any basketball player should look to get the team the best shot. If that's the PG shooting or driving in for a layup/dunk, it's just stupid to pass that up. We might as well put Rubio in the top 10 now, since he's an awesome passer.

 

Okay what other PGs play both sides as good as Rondo? He is an elite defensive player that automatically puts him in the top 5...

 

Bledsoe is the best PG defender, as in #1. And he's the 2nd most efficient offensive PG. I picked a guy not in your top 5, and he might even get a max contract this offseason, because he's just better than Rondo.

 

Lawson, Conley & Bledsoe are not on Rondo's level. Plus, I wouldn't consider Bledsoe an elite PG based on 10 or so NBA games...

 

I am a UK Alum, but even I am not homer enough to say Rondo is top 5 PG. Back when the Celtics were contending and elite PG talents were scarce, yes, but certainly not today. Rondo still has no outside game after all these years, he should really learn a thing or two from Parker.

 

If fully healthy, there is no question that Rondo is in the argument for Top 5 PG in the league. He is an all-league defender, has fantastic court vision and passing abilities, and is probably the best rebounding PG in the league. Not to mention he's got great size and hands for the PG position. People constantly lament Rondo for his scoring abilities, but he does so many things that benefit the team, that his lack of shooting (while a considerable weakness) is tolerable (see Jason Kidd -- Rondo's essentially a lesser version of Jason Kidd, but still an All-Star caliber version). He's still relatively young and could potentially improve his shooting later in his career ala Jason Kidd. Also, he's averaged 11+ assists/game for the past 3 straight years -- not even CP3 has done this. You are kidding yourself if you don't think Rondo's that good, he's a perennial All-Star.

And Conley and Lawson over Rondo? Really? Explain that.

Side note: Never thought I'd be defending Rondo, I just don't like the guy.

 

We can't just ignore Rondo's health. He's not at the Rose or Westbrook stage of recovery yet. Where both those guys look fully healthy, but not yet in full rhythm yet. Rondo hasn't been on the court yet, so we don't know how he'll recover.

BUT, I'll grant you a fully healthy Rondo, just for the fun of discussion.

I still don't think he's top 5 today.

Please list your top 5. It's so easy to say so-and-so is a top PG. But there's sooo many good to great PGs now.

CP3
Parker
Westbrook
Curry
Rose
Conley
Lawson
Beldsoe
Irving
Rubio
Lillard
Wall
Thomas
Teague
Lin

Rondo and who else is in your top tier?

 

It's hilarious how overrated playmaking PG's are. History tells us they really aren't important

2012 Miami Heat - Star: Lebron James, PG: Chalmers
2012 Miami Heat - Star: Lebron James, PG: Chalmers
2011 Dallas Mavericks - Star: Nowitzki, PG: Kidd
2010 Los Angeles Lakers - Star: Kobe, PG: Fisher
2009 Los Angeles Lakers - Star: Kobe, PG: Fisher
2008 Boston Celtics - Star: Big3, PG: Rondo (remember he was just a role player with almost no impact, they ironically got worse the more his usage increased)
2007 San Antonio Spurs - Star: Duncan, PG: Parker
2006 Miami Heat - Star: Wade, PG: Jason Williams
2005 San Antonio Spurs - Star: Duncan, PG: Parker
2004 Detroit Pistons - Star: Big4, PG: Billups
2003 San Antonio Spurs - Star: Duncan, PG: Parker
2002 Los Angeles Lakers - Star: Shaq, PG: Fisher
2001 Los Angeles Lakers - Star: Shaq, PG: Fisher
2000 Los Angeles Lakers - Star: Shaq, PG: Harper
1999 San Antonio Spurs - Star: Duncan, PG: Avery Johnson
1998 Chicago Bulls - Star: MJ, PG: Harper
1997 Chicago Bulls - Star: MJ, PG: Harper
1996 Chicago Bulls - Star: MJ, PG: Harper
1995 Houston Rockets - Star: Hakeem, PG: Kenny Smith
1994 Houston Rockets - Star: Hakeem, PG: Kenny Smith
1993 Chicago Bulls - Star: MJ, PG: BJ Armstrong
1992 Chicago Bulls - Star: MJ, PG: Paxson
1991 Chicago Bulls - Star: MJ, PG: Paxson


Everyone seems to think a PG should be a classic pass-first playmaker when it's been proven that different types of PGs can be winners/great. Every PG that can score is "more of a 2" even if they've never played off-the-ball in their lives. I really don't understand the fascination with playmaking, pass-first PGs when in the frame work of a team, a PG that runs the offense isn't really necessary if you have other ball-handlers/playmakers.

There really isn't a need for a traditional PG on this team when you have multiple ball handlers on this team. Perhaps it's because of the Magic Johnson era through the 1980s and early 1990s and remember its obvious, everyone loved Magic Johnson. When a pass-first PG works it is really fun to watch, hence all the fans for Nash and now Rubio/Rondo. Everyone is expecting the next Magic but even Magic was a regular 20 PPG scorer in the playoffs.

The smallest player on the court isn't going to have the most impact. Championship winning teams are usually built on bigs and elite scoring wings.

 

Just say no to Rondo.

 

Okay tell me when another PG can make an 8 minute highlight tape from one game on DEFENSE AND REBOUNDS ALONE not to mention throw in 23 assists oh and it was agiainst who else but TP...

Oh and please tell me the other PGs out there that can effectively guard another teams best player even if that player is Lebron freaking James I would really love to see all these great players I have been missing out on.


Plus who needs a three point shot when your elbow jumper (which he can get whenever he wants) is equivalent to a lay up?

 

Lay off the pipe man... Bledsoe has 47 NBA starts. Rondo has 92 playoff starts.