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Scrub Is Back WTF Fire Kubiak

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by DJboutit, Nov 17, 2013.

  1. awc713

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    my opinion--loss is not on schaub.

    does case show more promise? sure. but the team lost this game. shotty line play.

    however, what really pisses me off is his exchange with andre after the game. dont do that **** in front of the fans. if you wanna have a man to man talk, do it in the lockerroom. also, dont ever yell at my boy andre. he is the heart and soul of htown, schaub...learn that
     
  2. disguyman

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    Clearly Keenum wasn't getting rid of the ball fast enough in the second half for the past 3 games, Kubiak put Schaub in to show Keenum how to get the ball out fast enough, and stay in the pocket long enough. If Kubiak kept Keenum in I doubt we would even have 2 FGs, but still, Schaub passes blew. Texans have 3 backup QBs, time to draft a new franchise QB, trade Arian for a safety, and release Mccain! Someone start a Release Brian Mccain thread!!
     
  3. HOUSTONJS

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    I liked the move because it brought it back to reality that we really need a franchise QB and Case is going to have to go ABOVE and BEYOND to prove he is that, and thus far, he really hasn't and I really want him to.
     
  4. disguyman

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    Andre did the professional thing and walked away
     
  5. KingCheetah

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    AJ told us all we need to know.
     
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    I'm not saying Keenum is the answer long term, but the ONLY point to the rest of the season is to give him more experience and find that out before the draft. We know what we have in Schaub. Keenum can't prove anything if your on the bench, and it's not like he was playing terrible. Let Keenum make his mistakes and improve or prove that he can't handle it.

    Even if Schaub had come back and scored a touchdown on that last play, what's the point? We know Schaub's ceiling, and it isn't high enough to really contend unless the rest of the team is basically ranked top in the league in every area.

    I'm pretty amazed that Kubiak still has a job. My primary evaluation of a coach is does he live up to or exceed expectations? Would another coach likely do a better job? At his best Kubiak has met expectations, he has a lot more seasons of underachieving, and he has never over achieved.
     
  8. gfab-babyboi

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    Playcalling can make things look so much diff, if you run bunch sets and 2 TE and Trips sets, against a blitz, then QB has max 2-3 secs for hot read. In those sets, too many defenders in area...hince - Case holding on to ball

    Schuab enters, and Spread and 4 wide sets....Defense plays off receivers and Matt moves us in for FGs.
     
  9. pugsly8422

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    Dumb & Dumber: Case Keenum benched, proving the Texans have absolutely no sense — or plan

    There are strange moves — and there's benching your promising second-year quarterback in the midst of an already lost season.

    That's exactly what Gary Kubiak and the Houston Texans did Sunday afternoon at Reliant Stadium, yanking Case Keenum in the third quarter in favor of . . . Matt Schaub. And you didn't think the Texans season could get any more bizarre?

    With Keenum having completed 13 of 24 passes for 170 yards, one touchdown and one interception, Kubiak apparently decided he'd seen enough from his press box perch. He sent Schaub into the game with 2:26 left in the third quarter. The Texans trailed the Oakland Raiders 28-17 at the time.

    Yes, in his first game back from his mini stroke, Kubiak goes back to Matt Schaub. Say what?

    It's almost impossible to make sense of the move. Keenum only gets three and a half games to show what he can do? For a 2-7 team that needs to find out what it has for 2014, it's hard to come up with a legitimate reason to go back to Schaub. The Texans certainly know what Matt Schaub can do by now. By going back to the veteran, Kubiak essentially blows up the Keenum plan.

    And for what? The longshot chance of mounting a comeback against the Oakland Raiders and perhaps moving to 3-7. There's no chance of any real upside.

    It's not a bad move because Schaub ends up throwing a no-chance, lame duck of an incompletion, trying to force the ball to Andre Johnson in the end zone, on fourth-and-seven with 1:15 remaining. It's not a bad move because the Texans still end up losing 28-23.

    It's a horrid, inexcusable move because there never was a scenario in which it made sense.

    Playing Schaub at this point gets the Texans no where even in the best case scenario. And it's not like Keenum completely fell apart in his fourth career NFL start. He completed three passes of more than 30 yards, including a 42-yard touchdown strike to tight end Garrett Graham. He showed the mobility that gives the Texans offense another dimension.

    In truth, Keenum played worst last week at Arizona. Keenum needs to play. Pulling him shows a complete disconnect from the current reality of the Texans season. It's like Philadelphia 76ers general manager Sam Hinkie suddenly deciding to trade Michael Carter-Williams for Vince Carter.

    Before Keenum was benched, Texans quarterback coach Karl Dorell talked to him on the sideline.

    It comes across like Kubiak was just waiting for any possible chance to get Schaub get into a game. The fans booing aren't the only ones who should be questioning Kubiak's wisdom. This is arguably the most senseless move of his whole up-and-down Houston coaching tenure.
     
  10. Rock It

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    So he can give Schaub 6 games to blow in but you expect a rookie qb to be magically better with out giving him the experience that he needs to get better seems like the rope is not long enough as it is for Keenum as it is for Schaub.
     
  11. T-Yao

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    Keenum DID give us the lead coming back 14-0....schaub gave us field goals and chokes in the red zone. AND he has the guts to call andre out? get the eff outta here man
     
  12. T-Yao

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    also this is the 3rd and a half game ROOKIE THAT PLAYED IN THE NFL. how can u expect him to learn if u take him out because he was getting blitzed all day? and how is it that they dont simulate the blitzes in practice
     
  13. javal_lon

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    Because that would require actual coaching sir
     
  14. shastarocket

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    How do you guys reconcile all this with McGloin's near 200yds 3 TD performance as a rookie and winning on the road?

    Our defense was porous but I feel like much of the blame HAS to be on the staff
     
  15. javal_lon

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    What should've happened when Kubiak first mentioned switching QB's with others in the skybox.............................

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  16. HTown_DieHard

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    Jeez this is a ***** show.

    I hope it gets bad enough for mcnair to fire rick smith in addition to kubiak.

    Afterwards, step down and hand the keys to his son in waiting. Bobby, you are too old!!!!!!
     
  17. TejasTom

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    McLovin had enough time to write a book in the pocket. Keenum barely had enough time to read a txt message.
     
  18. macalu

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    can someone explain what happened with AJ at the end of the game? I walked away as soon as Schaub threw the 4th down incompletion.
     
  19. Nick

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    Maybe they did and he still didn't "get it".

    Kubiak's obviously coaching for his job... not for the future. Schaub being there somehow caused the "unstoppable" Oakland blitz to be neutralized. Keenum would have continued to be blitzed till he proved otherwise... and that would have been 4 consecutive games that he hadn't been able to do much with it.
     
  20. justtxyank

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    It's better for this team to see Keenum play every game, blitz or no blitz, win or lose, then it is for Schaub to neutralize the blitz. Winning games against bad teams with Schaub at QB shouldn't protect his job.
     

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