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Anderson or superstar?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by HtownKB, Aug 3, 2013.

  1. heypartner

    heypartner Contributing Member

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    Showtime, FoFiFo and Celtics all won prior to the introduction of the Salary Cap in 1984, and then they got grandfathered to keep their teams. And the Bad Boys did not have three superstars. They had incredible depth. So you should say that ALL of those teams won (all of the them) when they were over the cap.

    Both you and TheFreak are right. Getting three superstars is proven to win if you have the opportunity within the CBA, but it is not so necessary (Mavericks) that you have to do it.
     
  2. Knightrogen

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    No to Anderson. This would make Houston a Orlando 2.0.
     
  3. heypartner

    heypartner Contributing Member

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    Didn't Orlando 1.0 go to the Finals.
     
  4. Knightrogen

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    But really? That's the best we've got?
     
  5. heypartner

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    just saying that 2.0 is usually referred as an upgrade, if so, that mean Orlando 2.0 win the finals, no?

    i'm just farting with you. But really, there is no similarity between the two teams. Howard isn't even the best player on this team.
     
  6. Knightrogen

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    I agree. I think we can do better. Howard was never surrounded with so many talents, especially young talents.

    I think Rockets is one piece away from being that good, that good!
     
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    Why is there an assumption that Portland would trade us LMA for Asik and fillers? They'd probably want P25 and maybe 1st round pick. They might want us to take back a bad contract as well.
     
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    My question is "Are the fillers going to appear from internal player progression as they mature?" I personally think that this will be the case. The splendid thing about young rosters is that they tend to improve until they are 27 or so. Of the important pieces that only leaves Howard out of the mix, and he is already quite good enough.
     
  9. LCII

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    Celtics also got a ring with the 3 max method.

    You could argue thats how Kobe got his 2 rings post-Shaq too (Gasol + Odom/Arest)
     
  10. rocketlauch

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    Nah, Odom/Artest were pretty much role players on that team...Lots of successful teams have used the Batman/Robin (Both Future HOFs) + awesome role players route...Moses/Dr. J, Isiah/Dumars, Jordan/Pippen, Kobe/Shaq, Kobe/Gasol, Duncan/Robinson, Duncan/Parker...I actually prefer this route to the 3 max player strategy, especially with today's salary cap
     
  11. rocketlauch

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    Oh, and let's be honest about the Heat...Lebron with any other top 10 player, and a bunch of awesome role players would win the 'ship...in the Finals, it was basically Lebron and a bunch of awesome role players, except for the few games that Wade showed up.
     
  12. heypartner

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    Rewrite history much. Spurs absolutely blew it moreso than Miami won it
     
  13. TheFreak

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    First off, that wasn't under the current CBA. Second, just b/c they had 3 max guys doesn't make that the reason they won. They had the #1 defense in the NBA - could they have done that without 3 max contracts? Of course. Garnett and Tom T. were the main drivers for that.
     
  14. saleem

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    Ryan Anderson won't be enough for Asik.
     
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    Are we that confident Portland would bite on Asik + Motiejunas + Jones?
     
  16. TheFreak

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    Hardly any of the teams brought up in the post you responded to had 3 superstars, or 'max' caliber players. Showtime Lakers had Magic and Kareem - are we calling Worthy a max-type guy here? He wasn't. Kareem was debatable at the ages of 39 and 40, although incredibly productive. The Sixers had Moses and Dr. J on the backside of his career, but no other max-ish guys. 80s Celtics were pretty much all driven by Bird. He turned McHale and Parish into HOFers. Rodman was always a defensive specialist and wasn't a max-type guy on the Bulls 3-peat. Really bad examples given overall.
     
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    Highly unlikely for LMA IMO.
     
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    I'm not a fan of DMo. This board has hyped him up to unbelievable levels.

    He's not the second coming of Dirk, nor will he ever be.
     
  19. getbloodyred

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    That would significantly worsen our team. Our biggest thing right now, is having, arguably, the best interior defense in the league. By taking away Asik, we lose that. If we're going to lose that, then we better get a star talent or someone who is a legitimate perfect fit into our team. Drafting is all good and well, but at the end of the day Morey has drafted one Chandler Parsons, he also drafted Royce White. Drafts are risky. Why trade Omer for risk?
     
  20. A_3PO

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    Correct and maybe the Hornets will come to realize that so a trade can be worked out that is fair for both teams.
    This post needs to be stickied at the top of the GARM. At the same time, this doesn't rule out the possibility D-Mo becomes an above-average (or even very good) rotation player in a couple of years. He needs time but the Rockets don't have time.
     

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